Calculating ΔH Using Hess's Law: What Steps Are Involved?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the enthalpy change (ΔH) for the reaction N2O(g) + NO2(g) → 3NO(g) using Hess's Law. Participants explore the steps involved in applying Hess's Law to derive ΔH from given reaction data, focusing on the proper coefficients and the heat of formation for the involved species.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the initial data and attempts to calculate ΔH using Hess's Law, providing specific enthalpy values for the reactions involved.
  • Another participant points out an omission in the steps taken, suggesting that a step involving the formation of NO from its elements was not included.
  • There is a discussion about the heat of formation of NO2, with some participants clarifying that the value provided is specific to the formation from NO and O2, not from N2 and O2.
  • Participants debate the correct coefficients to use for the reactions in order to achieve the desired reaction, with one suggesting that the coefficient for the reaction containing N2O must be 1/2.
  • There is confusion regarding the treatment of coefficients for the reactions, with participants questioning why certain reactions were divided while others were not, leading to further clarification attempts.
  • One participant checks their answer against heat of formation values for the involved species, leading to additional calculations and discussions about the correctness of the approach taken.
  • The conversation shifts to a more abstract discussion about forming linear combinations of equations, drawing parallels to the heat of reaction calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct coefficients and the interpretation of heat of formation values. There is no consensus reached on the final calculation or method, as multiple competing approaches and interpretations are presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the need for clarity on the definitions of heat of formation and the specific reactions being referenced, indicating potential limitations in the assumptions made during calculations.

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Homework Statement


Given the data:
N2(g) + O2(g) → 2NO(g) ΔH = 180.7kJ
2NO(g) + O2(g) → 2NO2(g) ΔH = -113.1kJ
2N2O(g) → 2N2(g) + O2(g) ΔH = -163.2kJ

use Hess's law to calculate ΔH for the reaction
N2O(g) + NO2(g) → 3NO(g)

Homework Equations


"Hess's law states that if a reaction is carried out in a series of steps, ΔH for the overall reaction equals the sum of the enthalpy changes for the individual steps."

The Attempt at a Solution


½(N2(g) + O2(g) → 2NO(g)) ΔH = 90.35kJ
½(2N2O(g) → 2N2(g) + O2(g)) ΔH = -81.6kJ

3(N(g) + O(g) → NO(g)) ΔH = 271.05 kJ
½(2NO(g) + O2(g) → 2NO2(g)) ΔH = -56.55kJ
N2(g) + O(g) → N2O(g) ΔH = 81.6kJ

271.05 - (-56.55 + 81.6) = 246kJ
 
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Eclair_de_XII said:
3(N(g) + O(g) → NO(g)) ΔH = 271.05 kJ
Product, good.
Eclair_de_XII said:
N2(g) + O(g) → N2O(g) ΔH = 81.6kJ
One reactant, good.
Eclair_de_XII said:
½(2NO(g) + O2(g) → 2NO2(g)) ΔH = -56.55kJ
You omitted a step with this reactant.
 
Did I forget to distribute the half?

NO(g) + O(g) → NO2(g) ΔH = -56.55kJ
 
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You forgot to "synthesize" the NO as far as getting a heat of formation for NO2.
 
So -56.55 kJ isn't the heat of formation for nitrogen dioxide?
 
It's the heat of formation of NO2 from NO and oxygen, but not from nitrogen and oxygen, which would be the heat of formation as you've chosen to solve the problem.
 
You need to find the coefficients of a linear combination of the three reactions that gives you the desired reaction. The third reaction is the only one that contains N2O, so it's coefficient must be 1/2. The second reaction is the only one that contains NO2, but it on the right hand side, so it's coefficient must be -1/2. To make good on these, the coefficient of the first reaction must be 1.

Chet
 
Bystander said:
It's the heat of formation of NO2 from NO and oxygen, but not from nitrogen and oxygen, which would be the heat of formation as you've chosen to solve the problem.

So is it (-113.1 - 180.7) = -293.8kJ?

Chestermiller said:
You need to find the coefficients of a linear combination of the three reactions that gives you the desired reaction. The third reaction is the only one that contains N2O, so it's coefficient must be 1/2. The second reaction is the only one that contains NO2, but it on the right hand side, so it's coefficient must be -1/2. To make good on these, the coefficient of the first reaction must be 1.

I don't understand. I just added the coefficients so as to match the number of each gas in the desired equation. What are you talking about?
 
Eclair_de_XII said:
So is it (-113.1 - 180.7) = -293.8kJ?
I don't understand. I just added the coefficients so as to match the number of each gas in the desired equation. What are you talking about?
##\frac{1}{2}(-163.2)-\frac{1}{2}(-113.1)+1(180.7)=155.65##

Here's a check on my answer:

Heat of formation of NO = 90.25

Heat of formation of NO2 = 33.18

Heat of formation of N2O = 82.05

3(90.25) - 33.18 - 82.05 = 155.52

How does that grab ya?

Chet
 
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Chestermiller said:
##\frac{1}{2}(-163.2)-\frac{1}{2}(-113.1)+1(180.7)=155.65##

I don't understand why you divided both the 2NO2 and 2N2O by two, whereas you left the 2NO untouched. I checked with a tutor and he came up with the same thing. So why aren't we multiplying the heat of formation of 2NO by 3/2?
 
  • #11
Eclair_de_XII said:
I don't understand why you divided both the 2NO2 and 2N2O by two, whereas you left the 2NO untouched. I checked with a tutor and he came up with the same thing. So why aren't we multiplying the heat of formation of 2NO by 3/2?
Because N2 and O2 are not involved in the reaction for which you are trying to find the heat of reaction.

Suppose you had 3 algebraic equations involving the 5 unknowns a, b, c, d, and e. The three equations are:

a + b = 2c

2c + b = 2d

2e = 2a +b

You are asked to form a linear combination of these three equations by multiplying each equation by a constant and then adding the resulting (new) three relationships together to obtain:

e + d = 3c

Are you able to figure out what the three constants would have to be in order for you to accomplish this?

Chet
 
  • #12
Let's see:

½3(a + b) = ½3(2c)
½3a + ½3b = 3c
The constant is ½3.

½(2c + b) = ½(2d)
c + ½b = d

½(2e) = ½(2a + b)
e = a + ½b
The constant for the latter two is ½.

(a + ½b) + (c + ½b) = (½3a + ½3b)
a + b + c = (½3a + ½3b)
-½a - ½b + c = 0
 
  • #13
Eclair_de_XII said:
Let's see:

½3(a + b) = ½3(2c)
½3a + ½3b = 3c
The constant is ½3.

½(2c + b) = ½(2d)
c + ½b = d

½(2e) = ½(2a + b)
e = a + ½b
The constant for the latter two is ½.

(a + ½b) + (c + ½b) = (½3a + ½3b)
a + b + c = (½3a + ½3b)
-½a - ½b + c = 0
Well, that correctly gives a/2 + b/2 = c, which would give the heat of formation of NO (parameter c). Of course, that could have been obtained just you multiplying the first equation by 1/2.

But, the problem statement asks for the heat of the reaction e + d = 3c.

What do you get if you multiply the first equation by 1, the second equation by -1/2, and the third equation by +1/2 and add them together?

Chet
 
  • #14
a + b = 2c

-½(2c + b) = -½(2d)
-c - ½b = -d
c + ½b = d

½2e = ½(2a + b)
e = a + ½b

(a + ½b) + (c + ½b) + a + b = 2a + 2b + c

I'm still having trouble with where you're going with this.
 
  • #15
Eclair_de_XII said:
a + b = 2c

-½(2c + b) = -½(2d)
-c - ½b = -d
c + ½b = d

½2e = ½(2a + b)
e = a + ½b

(a + ½b) + (c + ½b) + a + b = 2a + 2b + c

I'm still having trouble with where you're going with this.

a + b = 2c
-c - ½b = -d
e = a + ½b

Adding your 3 equations together:

(a + b) - (c + ½b) + e = 2c - d + (a + ½b)

Combining terms:

e + d = 3c

Chet
 
  • #16
Oh, so I had to insert both sides of each equation into the final one?
 
  • #17
Eclair_de_XII said:
Oh, so I had to insert both sides of each equation into the final one?
Yes. That's what we have done. And note that the operations we carried out on the three equations are exactly the same as the operations we should perform on the three heats of reaction to arrive at the heat of the desired reaction.

Chet
 
  • #18
Okay, thanks.

I appreciate the help.
 

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