Calculating Dimensions of Titanium Disk Under Load

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The discussion revolves around calculating the dimensions of a titanium disk subjected to a mechanical load. The problem involves understanding the effects of stress and strain on the disk's thickness and diameter, utilizing material properties such as Young's modulus and Poisson's ratio.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss their attempts to calculate the resulting dimensions of the disk under load, expressing confusion about the axes involved in the problem and the application of relevant formulas. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of longitudinal and latitudinal strains.

Discussion Status

Some participants have shared their calculations and results, while others seek clarification on the underlying concepts and formulas. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the definitions of axial and transverse strains.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential confusion stemming from the application of formulas related to strain and the definitions of axes in the context of the problem. There is an acknowledgment of the need for a clearer understanding of the relationships between stress, strain, and material properties.

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Homework Statement


A titanium disk (with ##E=107 ~GPa##, Poisson's ratio, ##v=0.34##) precisely ##l_0=8~mm## thick by ##d_0=30~mm## diameter is used as a cover plate in a mechanical loading device. If a ##P=20~kN## load is applied to the disk, calculate the resulting dimensions, ##l_{01}## and ##d_{01}##.

Homework Equations


##v=- \frac {d\varepsilon_{trans}} {d\varepsilon_{axial}}=- \frac {d\varepsilon_{y}} {d\varepsilon_{x}}=- \frac {d\varepsilon_{z}} {d\varepsilon_{x}}##

##\sigma=\frac F A##

##\sigma=E\cdot \varepsilon##

The Attempt at a Solution


I had a go working through the problem, but my final depth came out as ##7.999~mm## which seems really wrong. I'm confused which axis is which, or even which axis is being used. Which is trans and which is axial? Or is it ##z## and ##x## we're dealing with here?
 
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WhiteWolf98 said:

Homework Statement


A titanium disk (with ##E=107 ~GPa##, Poisson's ratio, ##v=0.34##) precisely ##l_0=8~mm## thick by ##d_0=30~mm## diameter is used as a cover plate in a mechanical loading device. If a ##P=20~kN## load is applied to the disk, calculate the resulting dimensions, ##l_{01}## and ##d_{01}##.

Homework Equations


##v=- \frac {d\varepsilon_{trans}} {d\varepsilon_{axial}}=- \frac {d\varepsilon_{y}} {d\varepsilon_{x}}=- \frac {d\varepsilon_{z}} {d\varepsilon_{x}}##

##\sigma=\frac F A##

##\sigma=E\cdot \varepsilon##

The Attempt at a Solution


I had a go working through the problem, but my final depth came out as ##7.999~mm## which seems really wrong. I'm confused which axis is which, or even which axis is being used. Which is trans and which is axial? Or is it ##z## and ##x## we're dealing with here?
Les’s see your work. I get 7.998 mm.
 
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Chestermiller said:
Les’s see your work. I get 7.998 mm.

##\sigma = \frac F A = \frac {20×10^3} {\pi (15×10^{-3})^2} = 28.3×10^6 ~ Nm^{-2}##

##\sigma = E \cdot \varepsilon##

##\varepsilon = \frac \sigma E = \frac {28.3×10^6} {107×10^9}=2.64×10^{-4} ##

## v=- \frac {\varepsilon_{lat}} {\varepsilon_{long}}=0.34 → \varepsilon_{lat}=-(0.34)(2.64×10^{-4})=-8.99×10^{-5}##

##\varepsilon_{lat}=\frac {\Delta D} {D_0}##

##{\Delta D}=(-8.99×10^{-5})(8~mm)=-7.19×10^{-4}~mm##

##Hence ~D_f = 7.999 ~mm##

Truth be told, I watched someone do a similar problem, though it was with a cylinder for them. I just did the exact same as them, but used my numbers instead. I don't know why these equations are used or how to find the new length. If I was asked to do this again in an exam, I could probably do it, but I want to understand why
 
The way I interpreted this problem was that the load was compressional, and in the 8 mm thickness direction of the disk. So the strain in the 8 mm dimension was -0.000264, and the strain in the diameter direction was +0.0000899.
 
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The main thing I don't understand is the formula: ##v=- \frac {\varepsilon_{lat}} {\varepsilon_{long}}##. How does one know which is latitudinal and longitudinal? Apologies if it sounds like a silly question. I don't know how to apply the formula
 
WhiteWolf98 said:
The main thing I don't understand is the formula: ##v=- \frac {\varepsilon_{lat}} {\varepsilon_{long}}##. How does one know which is latitudinal and longitudinal? Apologies if it sounds like a silly question. I don't know how to apply the formula
Longitudinal means in the direction of the applied stress. "Along the force".
 
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haruspex said:
Longitudinal means in the direction of the applied stress. "Along the force".

I see! That clears things up, thank you! And Chestermiller too lol
 

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