Calculating Electron Kinetic Energy in a Cathode Ray Tube

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The discussion revolves around calculating the kinetic energy of an electron in a cathode ray tube (CRT) given an accelerating voltage of 250V. Participants explore the relationship between voltage and kinetic energy, as well as the speed of the electron as it exits the positive charge area.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to relate the accelerating voltage to the kinetic energy and speed of the electron, questioning how to apply concepts from Newtonian physics to this context. Some participants discuss the definition of electric potential and its implications for kinetic energy. Others raise questions about the behavior of the electric field after the electron leaves the positive charge area and whether further acceleration occurs.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided insights into the relationship between voltage and kinetic energy, with some suggesting that the kinetic energy can be derived from the voltage directly. There are ongoing questions about the assumptions made regarding the electron's motion after passing through the positive plate and the implications of the derived equations for the electron's trajectory.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of specific constraints such as the definitions of variables used in the equations and the context of the problem being set within a lab environment. Participants also note the potential for confusion regarding the application of similar triangles to the electron's path and the dimensional correctness of derived formulas.

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Homework Statement


Have a few questions on CRT's. If we are given the accelerating voltage (250V) how would I calculate the kinetic energy of the electron as it leaves the positive end of the charge area? What is the formula for the speed of an electron along the tube (vz) as it leaves the positive charge area, in terms of the accelerating potential Va and the mass and charge of an electron.

Homework Equations



F = qE=ma
KE= (1/2) mv^2

The Attempt at a Solution



Having only been given the accelerating voltage (250V) I'm not sure where to begin. We did all kinds of stuff with kinetic energy in Newtonian physics but I'm not sure how to apply it with voltage.

I think at some point I arrived at

qV=(1/2)mv^2

(-1.6x10^-19)(250) = (1/2)(9.11x10^-31)v^2

v = +/- 9.371x10^6 i

KE = (1/2)(9.11x10^-31)(9.37x10^6) = 4.268035x10^-24

If a=qE/m and we know the q charge value for an electron, we know the mass of an electron, how do I find the E value produced by 250V?
 
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I didn't check the math, but I think you have it. By definition, electric potential is "energy per charge" so V = E/q, E = qV is the kinetic energy given to charge q as it passes between the plates.

That's the short way. The long way is to put together
V causes E causes F causes a causes Δv
E = V/d, F = qE, F = ma, Vf² = Vi² + 2ad

The second part, about "leaving the positive charge area" is interesting. Usually we take the E field to be isolated between the plates and say no further acceleration takes place after the electrons pass through the positive plate. But is that really true? Can we tell by imagining a Gaussian surface through the cathode-anode system?
 
dmitriylm said:

Homework Statement


Have a few questions on CRT's. If we are given the accelerating voltage (250V) how would I calculate the kinetic energy of the electron as it leaves the positive end of the charge area? What is the formula for the speed of an electron along the tube (vz) as it leaves the positive charge area, in terms of the accelerating potential Va and the mass and charge of an electron.

Homework Equations



F = qE=ma
KE= (1/2) mv^2

The Attempt at a Solution



Having only been given the accelerating voltage (250V) I'm not sure where to begin. We did all kinds of stuff with kinetic energy in Newtonian physics but I'm not sure how to apply it with voltage.

I think at some point I arrived at

qV=(1/2)mv^2

(-1.6x10^-19)(250) = (1/2)(9.11x10^-31)v^2

v = +/- 9.371x10^6 i

KE = (1/2)(9.11x10^-31)(9.37x10^6) = 4.268035x10^-24

If a=qE/m and we know the q charge value for an electron, we know the mass of an electron, how do I find the E value produced by 250V?

The handy thing to remember is that eV is a unit of energy. So if you accelerate an electron through a voltage difference of 1kV, it has 1keV of kinetic energy.

In a CRT, the end of the electron gun is usually at the anode voltage, so the electrons do not accelerate the rest of the way to the anode and phosphur. They get deflected (by plates or coils) after the gun, but they move at a constant speed toward the anode/faceplate after leaving the electron gun.

BTW, I think you forgot to square the velocity in your equation here:

KE = (1/2)(9.11x10^-31)(9.37x10^6) = 4.268035x10^-24
 
Thanks for the help, I'm definitely further along now. I have just one more question.

I've found that the speed of the electron as it leaves the anode can be given as:

Vz = ((2)(e)(Va)/(m))^(1/2) (e=electron charge, Va=accel voltage, m=electron mass)

Once the electron enters the vertical deflection plates the velocity of the x component can be shown as (y isn't affected of course):

Vx = ((e)(Vd)(l)) / ((m)(d)(Vz)) (Vd=deflection voltage, l=plate length, d=distance between plates)

Now if the distance from the end of the deflecting plates to the phosphor screen is L, at what distance D from the center will the electron beam impact? (Hint given: the two velocity components of an electron and the two displacement components L and D are sides in similar triangles). I should end up with D = ((l)(L)/(2)(d)) ((Vd)/(Va))
 
dmitriylm said:
Thanks for the help, I'm definitely further along now. I have just one more question.

I've found that the speed of the electron as it leaves the anode can be given as:

Vz = ((2)(e)(Va)/(m))^(1/2) (e=electron charge, Va=accel voltage, m=electron mass)

Once the electron enters the vertical deflection plates the velocity of the x component can be shown as (y isn't affected of course):

Vx = ((e)(Vd)(l)) / ((m)(d)(Vz)) (Vd=deflection voltage, l=plate length, d=distance between plates)

Now if the distance from the end of the deflecting plates to the phosphor screen is L, at what distance D from the center will the electron beam impact? (Hint given: the two velocity components of an electron and the two displacement components L and D are sides in similar triangles). I should end up with D = ((l)(L)/(2)(d)) ((Vd)/(Va))

Sorry, I don't understand your x, y, z coordinates. And can you show your work for the last part please?
 
berkeman said:
Sorry, I don't understand your x, y, z coordinates. And can you show your work for the last part please?

Sorry, I'm using the perspectives that my lab book uses so I'll correct them for conventional usage.

I've found that the speed of the electron as it leaves the anode can be given as:

Vx = ((2)(e)(Va)/(m))^(1/2) (e=electron charge, Va=accel voltage, m=electron mass)

Once the electron enters the vertical deflection plates the velocity of the x component can be shown as (y isn't affected of course):

Vy = ((e)(Vd)(l)) / ((m)(d)(Vx)) (Vd=deflection voltage, l=plate length, d=distance between plates)

The last equation that I entered: D = [(l)*(L)/(2)*(d)]*[(Vd)/(Va)] is given in the lab. I have to use what I've put together so far to derive it.
I believe I go about this by using proportions and basically starting with D/L = Vy/Vx.

*EDIT* Ok, I've pretty much got it figured out. Just enter the equations into the proportion and solve for D. That provides the correct equation.
 
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D = [(l)*(L)/(2)*(d)]*[(Vd)/(Va)] is given in the lab
This is puzzling. For instance, suppose L = 0 (the phosphor screen is right at the end of the deflecting plates). This formula gives D = 0. But the electrons are still deflected while between the plates and D is NOT zero. Are the units of the formula even correct? Looks like distance = distance cubed!

I don't see the idea of the similar triangles. The path of the electron is parabolic while between the plates; no triangle can represent that. The similar triangle may make some sense for the last part of the trajectory - the distance L from the end of the plates to the screen where the trajectory is a straight line.

I see the problem as
D = vertical distance traveled while accelerating vertically between plates
+ distance traveled while going the horizontal distance L after plates
= ½a⋅t² + Vy*T
t is the time to pass through the plates, T the time to cover distance L.
These times are easy to find since the horizontal motion is uniform.
t = l/Vx = l*sqrt(m/(2eVa) and T = L*sqrt(m/(2eVa)
It all works out to
D = Vd/Va*(l²/2 + l*L)/(2d)
which at least is dimensionally correct, is zero when l = 0 (no deflecting plates) and still has a deflection when L = 0.
 

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