Calculating Ellipse Length: 9x^2 + 10y^2 = 90 (to 6 decimal places)

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The problem involves calculating the length of the ellipse defined by the equation 9x^2 + 10y^2 = 90, with a specific request for the answer to be accurate to six decimal places. The context includes the use of parametric equations and arc length formulas in calculus.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the transformation of the ellipse equation into standard form and the implications for the parameters a and b. There is exploration of the arc length formula and its application to the problem. Questions arise regarding the correct formulation of the integral, particularly the treatment of derivatives and bounds of integration.

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There is an ongoing examination of the setup for the integral needed to calculate the ellipse's length. Some participants have pointed out potential errors in the formulation, while others confirm aspects of the approach. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the mathematical steps involved.

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Participants note that the calculation may involve elliptic integrals, which are not expressible in terms of elementary functions. There is also mention of numerical integration as a necessary method for achieving the desired precision.

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Homework Statement



Find the length of the ellipse [tex]9x^2 + 10y^2 = 90[/tex] correct to six decimal places.

Homework Equations



[tex]4L[/tex]arc in the first quadrant = [tex]L[/tex]ellipse

The Attempt at a Solution



Just checking to see if I did this right:

[tex]9x^2 + 10y^2 = 90[/tex]

[tex]x^2/10 + y^2/9 = 1[/tex]

Therefore a = [tex]\sqrt{10}[/tex] and b = 3.

This makes [tex]x = \sqrt{10}sin t[/tex] and [tex]y = 3 cos t[/tex]

Since [tex]\int \sqrt{(dx)^2 + (dy)^2}[/tex] is the formula for arc length, do I just get: [tex]4\int \sqrt{10(cos t)^2 - 9(sin t)^2}[/tex]?

And are the bounds just from 0 to [tex]\pi/2[/tex]?

Thanks!
 
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wilcofan3 said:

Homework Statement



Find the length of the ellipse [tex]9x^2 + 10y^2 = 90[/tex] correct to six decimal places.


Homework Equations



[tex]4L[/tex]arc in the first quadrant = [tex]L[/tex]ellipse

The Attempt at a Solution



Just checking to see if I did this right:

[tex]9x^2 + 10y^2 = 90[/tex]

[tex]x^2/10 + y^2/9 = 1[/tex]

Therefore a = [tex]\sqrt{10}[/tex] and b = 3.

This makes [tex]x = \sqrt{10}sin t[/tex] and [tex]y = 3 cos t[/tex]

Since [tex]\int \sqrt{(dx)^2 + (dy)^2}[/tex] is the formula for arc length, do I just get:
This is the formula: [tex]\int \sqrt{(dx/dt)^2 + (dy/dt)^2}dt[/tex]
wilcofan3 said:
[tex]4\int \sqrt{10(cos t)^2 - 9(sin t)^2}[/tex]?
There's a mistake in the line above. What do you get when you square dy/dt? Also, don't forget your dt in the integrand.
wilcofan3 said:
And are the bounds just from 0 to [tex]\pi/2[/tex]?
Thanks!
Yes.
 
You should be aware that the calculation of the circumference of an ellipse results in what is known as an "elliptic integral" which cannot be done in terms of elementary functions.
 
The instructions provided by the OP imply that numerical integration is to be performed.
Find the length of the ellipse [itex]9x^2 + 10y^2 = 90[/itex]
correct to six decimal places.
 
Mark44 said:
This is the formula: [tex]\int \sqrt{(dx/dt)^2 + (dy/dt)^2}dt[/tex]

There's a mistake in the line above. What do you get when you square dy/dt? Also, don't forget your dt in the integrand.

Oh, is it just that it should be positive instead of negative? That's the only thing I'm seeing, and yeah, I need to put the dt in there.

So, other than that, is it correct?
 

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