Calculating Equilibrium Angle and Torque in a Magnetic Field: A Coil Experiment

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a square coil made from a wire, which is subjected to a magnetic field. Participants are tasked with determining the equilibrium angle of the coil and the torque acting on it due to magnetic forces.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between torque and gravitational forces, questioning how to calculate torque at an angle and the magnetic flux through the coil. There are attempts to derive equations for torque based on the forces acting on the coil.

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Several participants have provided insights and attempted calculations, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for detailed calculations and consideration of all forces acting on the coil.

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Participants are encouraged to clarify their calculations and assumptions, particularly regarding the torque contributions from different segments of the coil and the effects of the magnetic field. There is an emphasis on the importance of understanding the setup and the forces involved.

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Please help me on this homework. Thank you.
A long piece of wire with a mass of 0.100 Kg and a total length of 4.00 m is used to make a square coil with a side of 0.100 m. The coil is hinged along a horizontal side, carries a 3.4-A current, and is placed in vertical magnetic field with a magnitude of 0.010 0T
a) Determine the angle that the plane of the coil makes with the vertical when the coil is equilibrium
b) Find the torque acting on the coil due to the magnetic force at equilibrium.
 
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Hi vu95112! Welcome to PF! :wink:

i] What is the torque due to gravity when the coil is at an angle θ to the vertical?

ii] What is the magnetic flux through the coil is when the coil is at an angle θ to the vertical?

Show us what you get. :smile:
 
Hello tiny-tim,

Thank you very much. Nice to meet you.

Here is my way to solve

Torque equals to gravity force

Torque = mg = NBIASinө

So ө = Arcsine ( mg/( NBIA)
= Arcsine ( 0.5Kg x 9.8 )/ ( 10 X 0.01 T x 3.4 A x 0.01 m x 0.01m)

But the answer does not come right.
Thank You
 
vu95112 said:
Hello tiny-tim,

Thank you very much. Nice to meet you.

Here is my way to solve

Torque equals to gravity force

Torque = mg = NBIASinө

So ө = Arcsine ( mg/( NBIA)
= Arcsine ( 0.5Kg x 9.8 )/ ( 10 X 0.01 T x 3.4 A x 0.01 m x 0.01m)

But the answer does not come right.
Thank You

Your equation for the torque is not quite right. Torque is a force applied at some distance from the hinge, and at some angle. What is NBEASine?

Can you draw a sketch? That will probably help you. Also remember that the wire loop may be above or below horizontal, depending on how high the magnetic force torque is compared to the weight torque...
 
Hello Berkeman,
Thank you very much.


Torque = (L/2) BI
Where I is current, B is magnetic field , and L is the length
Torque = (0.1/2)m * 0.01T 3.4A = 0.0017 N
4 m ---------------- 0.1Kg
0.1 m ------------- X
X = (0.1*0.1) / 4= 0.0025 Kg
F = mg = 0.0025Kg * 9.8 = 0.0245 N
How do you get angle?
 

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vu95112 said:
Hello Berkeman,
Thank you very much.


Torque = (L/2) BI
Where I is current, B is magnetic field , and L is the length
Torque = (0.1/2)m * 0.01T 3.4A = 0.0017 N
4 m ---------------- 0.1Kg
0.1 m ------------- X
X = (0.1*0.1) / 4= 0.0025 Kg
F = mg = 0.0025Kg * 9.8 = 0.0245 N
How do you get angle?

I think you need to be a little more detailed in your calculations. First on the torque due to gravitational forces on the wires... The total torque is the result of the torques on the 3 wires that are not the hinge wire. The two side wires will have the same torque on them, based on their weight and length. The outer wire away from the hinge will have all of its weight acting at its distance from the hinge, not half the distance. So you should probably show all 3 torques explicitly, to be sure you're calculating the gravitational torque correctly. And remember that the torque depends on the angle...

On the torque due to the magnetic force, think about the force on each of the 3 wires (the hinged wire cannot move). What can you say about the forces on the two side wires? What can you say about the force on the wire opposite to the hinge wire?
 
Hello Berkeman,
Thank you very much.
 
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