Calculating Equilibrium Points for a Second Order Equation

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The discussion revolves around calculating equilibrium points for a second-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) given in the form x'' + x - (1/4)x^3 = 0. Participants are exploring the transition from second-order equations to first-order systems using the Xdot and Ydot notation.

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  • Participants discuss the application of a specific formula for linear ODEs and express confusion about how to apply it to a non-linear second-order equation. There are attempts to relate second-order derivatives to first-order derivatives using the Xdot notation.

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Some participants have provided insights into expressing second-order equations in a separable form and have suggested methods for finding equilibrium points. However, there is no explicit consensus on the best approach to take for this specific problem.

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Participants are navigating the differences between linear and non-linear second-order ODEs, and there are mentions of specific values derived from setting derivatives to zero, though the implications of these values are not fully explored.

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ive been doing Xdot and Ydot questions using the formula lamda2-(a+d)lamda +ad-bc=0 where Xdot=ax+bc and ydot=cx+dy no problems so far until this question where i have the second order equation xdot dot+x-1/4x3=0

so i set Xdot dot =Ydot and therefore Xdot =y as usual but this gives me Ydot=1/4x3 -x which obviously doesn't fit the formula above, how do i calculate the equlibrium points in this case
 
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This is a special type of 2nd order ODE. If you have x'' = f(x), you can use the chain rule to express it in the form:

\frac{1}{2} \frac{d}{dx} \left( \frac{dx}{dt} \right)^2 = f(x) which is separable.
 
franky2727 said:
ive been doing Xdot and Ydot questions using the formula lamda2-(a+d)lamda +ad-bc=0 where Xdot=ax+bc and ydot=cx+dy no problems so far until this question where i have the second order equation xdot dot+x-1/4x3=0

so i set Xdot dot =Ydot and therefore Xdot =y as usual but this gives me Ydot=1/4x3 -x which obviously doesn't fit the formula above, how do i calculate the equlibrium points in this case

The first type of problems are second order linear ODE's with constant coefficients in two variables. The other one is not that type. To find equilibrium points just set x''(t)=x'(t)=0 and solve for x(t).
 
what is x''t and x't in terms of Xdot?
 
franky2727 said:
what is x''t and x't in terms of Xdot?

x'(t)=Xdot=dx/dt and x''(t)=Xdot dot=d^2x/dt^2.
 
giving me 4x-xcubed=0 giving me x=0 2 or -2 ?
 
franky2727 said:
giving me 4x-xcubed=0 giving me x=0 2 or -2 ?

Sure.
 
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