Calculating Fire Distance with Friction and Mass

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The discussion revolves around calculating the distance required to start a fire by moving two sticks together, considering factors such as the coefficient of friction, mass of the wood, applied force, and the flashpoint of the wood. The original poster attempts to formulate a relationship between these variables to estimate the necessary displacement.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster presents an equation relating work done to the displacement needed to reach the flashpoint, questioning the appropriate mass to use in their calculations. Some participants suggest simplifying assumptions about heat distribution and mass.

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Participants are engaging in a constructive dialogue, with one suggesting that the original poster's approach seems valid. The original poster plans to gather experimental data to verify their theoretical calculations, indicating an ongoing exploration of the topic.

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The original poster mentions the need for specific data, such as the masses and coefficient of kinetic friction, which they plan to obtain through experimentation. There is also a note of changing the topic due to complications, reflecting the challenges faced in the discussion.

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How can one approximate the distance that one would have to move two sticks in order to start a fire at room temperature. With a given coefficient of friction and mass for the wood as well as the amount of force that someone can apply to the wood and the flashpoint of the wood.

Attempt
W = mc(flashpoint - room temp)
(not sure what mass to use because heat will not spread out over the full mass of both sticks immediately...)

Force of friction = Force applied x coefficient of friction -->
W = Force applied x coefficient of friction x displacement

therefore:
Force applied x coefficient of friction x displacement = mc(flashpoint - room temp)

So can I find displacement required like that?
 
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You have the right idea. I would use total mass of the wood and assume the heat spreads through them immediately, even though it wouldn't. Sometimes, a scientist's best skill is being able to make simplifying assumptions.:smile:

Anyway, I agree with how you are going about this. What do you get as an answer?
 
Well if that sounds sane to someone else then I am going to try this for a paper on a topic of my choice, so I will get some of my data tomorrow (like masses and coefficient of kinetic friction by experimentation tomorrow and will look up specific heat and flash point and pick a convenient applied force) then I'll calculate a theoretical displacement and then try the experiment and see if its reasonably close, so I'll post some data then for verification.
 
Never mind, I changed my topic...too many problems.
 

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