Calculating flux via divergence theorem.

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The problem involves calculating the flux of a vector field \(\vec{F} = [x,y,2-2z]^T\) through a surface defined by \(z=e^{1-r^2}\), with the additional constraint that \(z \geq 0\). The divergence theorem is referenced as a potential approach to relate the surface integral to a volume integral.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the divergence of the vector field, noting that it is zero, which leads to questions about the implications for the flux. There are suggestions to consider a simpler surface to close the region for applying the divergence theorem. Some participants express confusion about the surface definitions and parametrizations being used.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the surface and the implications of the divergence theorem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for a closed surface, and there is acknowledgment of the complexity of the problem. No consensus has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

There are constraints mentioned, such as the requirement that \(z \geq 1\) for the surface, which influences the choice of the simpler surface for applying the divergence theorem. Participants also note the challenges posed by differing notations in various texts.

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Homework Statement


Compute the flux of \vec{F} through z=e^{1-r^2} where \vec{F} = [x,y,2-2z]^T and r=\sqrt{x^2+y^2}.

EDIT: the curve must satisfy z\geq 0.

Homework Equations


Divergence theorem: \iint\limits_{\partial X} \Phi_{\vec{F}} = \iiint\limits_X \nabla\cdot\vec{F}\,dx\,dy\,dz

The Attempt at a Solution



For the given \vec{F}, we have \nabla\cdot\vec{F} = 0. So isn't the flux just zero by the divergence theorem? I am confused because there is a hint saying that I should change the given surface to a simpler one.
 
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hi dustbin! :wink:
dustbin said:
For the given \vec{F}, we have \nabla\cdot\vec{F} = 0. So isn't the flux just zero by the divergence theorem?

correct :smile:

but that's only for a closed surface …

so find another (simpler) surface that you can join to this surface to make a closed surface :wink:
 
Thanks for the tip tiny-tim! I should note that I forgot to put the restriction z\geq 1 on the given surface. I will think about your suggestion and post back!
 
Since X must be a compact domain in \mathbb{R}^3, we must bound from below the region bounded above by the given surface. Since z\geq 1, setting 1=e^{1-r^2} gives the (simpler) surface x^2+y^2=1. The union of this disc and the given surface form the boundary, \partial X, of a compact region X of \mathbb{R}^3. Hence we may now apply the divergence theorem.
 
hi dustbin! :smile:

yes, i think that's right

(except that I'm not sure which surface you mean … x2+y2 = 1 is a cylinder :wink:)
 
I meant x^2+y^2 = 1 to be confined to the plane z=1. Thank you! :redface:

To take it all the way:

Call S_1 the given surface and S_2 the new surface so that S_1\cup S_2 = \partial X. Observe that \Phi_{\vec{F}} = x\,dy\wedge dz - y\,dx\wedge dz + (2-2z)\,dx\wedge dy. Parametrize S_2 via x=r\cos\theta, \ y=r\sin\theta, \ z=1 such that \theta \in [0,2\pi) \ , \ 0\leq r \leq 1. Call this parametrization \gamma. Then \Phi_{\vec{F}}(\gamma) = (2-2)r = 0. Applying the theorem, we have

<br /> 0 = \iiint\limits_X \nabla\cdot\vec{F}\,dx\,dy\,dz = \iint\limits_{S_1} \Phi_{\vec{F}} + \iint\limits_{S_2} \Phi_{\vec{F}} = \iint\limits_{S_1} \Phi_{\vec{F}}.<br />

Thus the flux of \vec{F} across S_1 is 0.
 
that's very complicated :redface:

isn't it simpler to keep to x,y,z. and say that F on the surface is (x,y,0)T, and so … ? :wink:
 
The way that I did it is the only way I know to calculate flux. :redface:
 
dustbin said:
The way that I did it is the only way I know to calculate flux. :redface:

flux is just F·ñ

why do you need to convert to polar coordinates to calculate what (on this surface) is obviously 0 ?? :wink:
 
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Is \hat{\textbf{n}} the orienting normal?
 
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yüp! :smile:
 
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I see. The text I use doesn't use standard notation, so when I look at other books or sites about vector calculus, I feel hopelessly lost with the notation!

Thank you for your help :-)
 

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