Calculating Forces Homework: Net Force & Friction

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The problem involves two horizontal wires pulling on a mass of 2180 kg, causing it to accelerate westward at 0.25 m/s². The tension in each rope is given as 4200 N. Participants are tasked with finding the net force on the mass and the friction acting on it.

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  • Participants discuss drawing free body diagrams and calculating force components using trigonometric functions. There is uncertainty about how to incorporate the net force and friction into the calculations, specifically whether to use one or both x components and how to relate them to the net force.

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Some participants have provided initial calculations and expressed confusion regarding the friction calculation. Questions about the need for a diagram and the correct approach to summing forces indicate an ongoing exploration of the problem.

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Participants are considering the implications of the angles involved in the force components and the relationship between the forces acting on the mass. There is a request for additional visual aids to clarify the setup.

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Homework Statement



two horizontal wire which are separated by 50 degrees are pulling on a 2180 kg mass and cause it to accelerate to the west at 0.25 m/s2. the tension in each rope is 4200.

a) find the net force on the mass
b) how much friction is acting on the mass?

Homework Equations



fnet= ma
cos law
sine law

f = fah-fnet

The Attempt at a Solution

so i drew out a free body diagram and calculated the components.
x1 = cos25 (4200) = 3806 N
y1 = sin25 (4200) = 1775 N

x2 = the same as x1
y2 = the same as y1

i found fnet by going mass * acceleration and got 545 N

now calculating friction is difficult. i do not know if i am supposed to use only one x component or both. am i supposed to add 545 or subtract it? all help is appreciated. thanks
 
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lola0706 said:

Homework Statement



two horizontal wire which are separated by 50 degrees are pulling on a 2180 kg mass and cause it to accelerate to the west at 0.25 m/s2. the tension in each rope is 4200.

a) find the net force on the mass
b) how much friction is acting on the mass?





Homework Equations



fnet= ma
cos law
sine law

f = fah-fnet


The Attempt at a Solution




so i drew out a free body diagram and calculated the components.
x1 = cos25 (4200) = 3806 N
y1 = sin25 (4200) = 1775 N

x2 = the same as x1
y2 = the same as x2

i found fnet by going mass * acceleration and got 545 N

now calculating friction is difficult. i do not know if i am supposed to use only one x component or both. am i supposed to add 545 or subtract it? all help is appreciated. thanks

Welcome to the PF.

Is there a figure/diagram that goes with this question? Can you scan it or copy/paste it as an attachment?
 
berkeman said:
Welcome to the PF.

Is there a figure/diagram that goes with this question? Can you scan it or copy/paste it as an attachment?
this is what i assume the diagram would look like

the 25 degrees would be the 50 degrees shared by the 2 triangle components

oh and thanks for the welcome! :)
 

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Let x be the direction in which the mass is moving. What is the component of force exerted by each of the ropes in the x direction? What is the sum of these two components of force? Write a force balance for the mass in the x direction that includes the two components of rope force, the frictional force, and the mass times acceleration.

Chet
 

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