Calculating frequency for small torsional oscillation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the frequency of small torsional oscillations for a system consisting of a rigid disk attached to a light elastic shaft. Participants explore the application of equations related to torsional motion and the role of shear modulus in the context of oscillations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using a Newtonian approach by equating torque, but expresses uncertainty about calculating the torque of the disk and whether treating the shaft as massless is appropriate.
  • Another participant questions the understanding of shear modulus and prompts for an equation related to it.
  • A third participant defines shear modulus as the ratio of shear stress to shear strain but is unclear about its relevance to the problem.
  • One participant suggests using conservation of energy, specifically the kinetic energy of the disk and the torsional potential energy of the shaft, but is unsure how shear modulus relates to torsional modulus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate approach to the problem, with some favoring a Newtonian torque method and others suggesting conservation of energy. The role of shear modulus remains unclear, indicating a lack of consensus on its application in this context.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions made about the mass of the shaft and the relationship between shear modulus and torsional modulus, which may affect the analysis.

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Homework Statement


A thin, uniform, rigid disk of mass M, radius R is welded to a light, elastic shaft of radius r, length L, shear modulus G. Phi is the torsional oscillation.
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Homework Equations



Phi=TL/GI
I=pi/2*r^4(polar area moment of inertia)

The Attempt at a Solution


Since the shaft is "light", I assumed it to be massless and considered it a spring instead. I'm not sure if this is the right train of thought. I'm trying the Newtonian approach of equating torque:

I(total)*phi"=torque of shaft+torque of disk

somehow though, I couldn't figure out the torque of the disk. If the shaft is a spring, it's torque would be k*phi.

Am I even on the right track here? Should I do conservation of energy instead?
 
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hi lzhlzh1 :smile:
lzh said:
A thin, uniform, rigid disk of mass M, radius R is welded to a light, elastic shaft of radius r, length L, shear modulus G …

do you know what shear modulus is?

if so, write an equation for it :wink:
 
it's the ratio of shear stress to shear strain.

G=(F/A)/tan(theta)
but truthfully I don't understand what role G plays in this question except for in the phi equation i posted
 
you'll need to use conservation of energy (ie kinetic energy of the disc plus torsional potential energy of the shaft)

but i don't know how the shear modulus in the question is related to the torsional modulus :confused:
 

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