Calculating frictional force on a block with different upward forces

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The discussion focuses on calculating the frictional force acting on a 2.50 kg block subjected to a horizontal force of 6.71 N and varying vertical forces of 7.00 N and 10.0 N. The coefficients of static and kinetic friction are μs = 0.4 and μk = 0.25, respectively. When the vertical force P is 7.00 N, the maximum static frictional force is 7 N, which is sufficient to prevent movement, resulting in a frictional force equal to the applied horizontal force of 6.71 N. For P at 10.0 N, the block remains stationary, and the frictional force remains at 6.71 N as the applied force does not exceed the maximum static friction.

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A 2.50 kg block is initially at rest on a horizontal surface. A horizontal force F of magnitude 6.71 N and a vertical force P are then applied to the block. The coefficients of friction for the block and surface are μs = 0.4 and μk = 0.25. Determine the magnitude of the frictional force acting on the block if the magnitude of P is (a)7.00 N and (b)10.0 N. (The upward pull is insufficient to move the block vertically.)

relevant equations:
F=ma
Fk=μkFn
Fs,max=μsFnattempt at solution:
(2.50)(9.8)=24.5-7=17.5 net weight including upward pull of 7N
(.4)(17.5)=7N so force 6.71N would not move block
(.25)(17.5)=4.375N force of 6.71N would move block
6.71N-4.375N=2.335N

On my online homework it said this was the wrong answer.

Am I confusing coefficients I'm supposed to use at certain times? Thank you!
 
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rockchalk1312 said:
(.4)(17.5)=7N so force 6.71N would not move block
(.25)(17.5)=4.375N force of 6.71N would move block
You've already established that the force will not move the block, so you do not have to consider dynamic friction.
6.71N-4.375N=2.335N
Even if it were appropriate to consider dynamic friction, what are you calculating there? It looks like it's the excess force over dynamic friction if the block were to move. That's not what the question asks for.
Remember that normal force * coefficient of static friction tells you the maximum static frictional force. If the force applied, F, is insufficient, what is the actual frictional force?
 


haruspex said:
Remember that normal force * coefficient of static friction tells you the maximum static frictional force. If the force applied, F, is insufficient, what is the actual frictional force?

Wow I'm an idiot. Ok your emphasis on the word maximum helped me a lot. Just 6.71N. Thank you very much!
 
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