Calculating Heat Added/Removed to Ideal Gas System

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a monatomic ideal gas in a sealed container, where the gas undergoes two processes: a decrease in volume at constant pressure followed by an increase in pressure at constant volume. Participants are exploring how to calculate the heat added or removed from the system, given specific initial and final conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants express confusion regarding the necessity of knowing heat capacities to solve the problem. There are attempts to calculate initial and final temperatures, with one participant questioning the correctness of their temperature change calculation. Others discuss the relationship between work done and the processes involved, particularly the implications of work done during volume and pressure changes.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into heat capacities and the work-energy relationship. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculation of work done during the processes, but there is no explicit consensus on the overall approach to finding the heat transfer.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the lack of explicit heat capacity values and the implications of work done during non-constant pressure scenarios. There is an ongoing exploration of how energy is accounted for in the system.

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Homework Statement


A monatomic, ideal gas is in a sealed container (the number of gas molecules is always constant: n = 2 moles); the initial pressure is Pi = 1.01 x 10^5 Pa and the initial volume is Vi = 0.0224 m^3.

* First, the volume of the gas is decreased at a constant pressure (at Pi = 1.01 x 10^5 Pa) to a final volume of Vf = 0.0155 m^3.
* Second, the pressure of the gas is increased at a constant volume (at Vf = 0.0155 m3) to a final pressure of Pf = 1.35 x 10^5 Pa.

How much heat was added to (give as a positive number) or removed from (give as a negative number) the system? (The gas constant R = 8.31 J/mole-K.)


Homework Equations


PV = nRT


The Attempt at a Solution



I guess I am confused as to how I am supposed to solve this problem without knowing the heat capacity or the specific heat of the substance.

I have calculated Ti=94.14 and Tf=125.83 - deltaT=31.692 C - why is this incorrect?
 
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The heat capacity at constant volume of an ideal gas is: [tex]c_{v}NR[/tex].

[tex]c_{v} = \frac{3}{2}[/tex] for a monatomic gas, and [tex]\frac{5}{2}[/tex] for a diatomic gas.

The heat capacity at constant pressure of an ideal gas is:

[tex](c_{v}+1})NR[/tex]
 
Problem Solved.

Please look at case one of the pressure vs volume graph:

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2964/followuphz6.gif

I thought to get the total work done by the system I would take the work done by decreasing volume and add the work done by increasing pressure.

To get the total work done all I had to do was use the work done by the system decreasing volume. (-696.9J)

Why didn't I have to add on the work done by the increase in pressure? I calculated that to be 527J, where does this energy disappear to?

thanks
 
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The work done is the area under the graph of pressure versus volume. When you increase the volume, the gas does positive work.

[tex]W = P\Delta V[/tex]

For non-constant pressure the work is:

[tex]W = \int_{V_{1}}^{V_{2}} P\; dV[/tex]
 
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