Calculating ∅ in Simple Harmonic Motion Equation x = xo + Asin(ωt + ∅)

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The discussion revolves around finding the phase constant (∅) in the equations of simple harmonic motion, specifically in the context of the equations x = xo + Asin(ωt + ∅) and x(t) = A(cos ωt + phi). Participants are exploring how to isolate and calculate the phase constant using given values and trigonometric identities.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss various attempts to isolate the phase constant, including substituting known values into the equations and using inverse trigonometric functions. Some express confusion about the steps following the substitution of values, particularly in applying trigonometric identities.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on using inverse sine and cosine functions to find the phase constant. There is acknowledgment of the complexity of trigonometric functions, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored without a clear consensus on the best approach.

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Participants note the challenge of working with trigonometric identities and the potential for confusion in the calculations. There is also mention of varying methods to access inverse functions on calculators, indicating a range of tools available to participants.

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x = xo + Asin(ωt + ∅)
I know all of the values, except for ∅.
But i don't know how to get the value for ∅


The attempt at a solution:
0.349 = 0.367 + 0.413Sin(8.5 * 0.8938 + ∅)
-0.018 = 0.413Sin(7.5973 + ∅)
-0.04358 = Sin(7.5973 + ∅)
From here on, i am confused, I tried using the trigonometric identities.
-0.04358 = Sin7.5973Cos∅+Cos7.5973Sin∅
-0.04358 = 0.1322Cos∅ + 0.9912Sin∅
And once again, i am stuck. I don't know what to do, to get ∅. Please help, thanks.
 
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1. solve the equation for phi *before* substituting the values.
2. substitute the values

the opposite of sine is arcsine, on your calculator it is sin^-1 and is often accessed using [inv]+[sin] or similar, so:

arcsin(x-x0)-wt=\phi
 
pvpkillerx said:
x = xo + Asin(ωt + ∅)
I know all of the values, except for ∅.
But i don't know how to get the value for ∅The attempt at a solution:
0.349 = 0.367 + 0.413Sin(8.5 * 0.8938 + ∅)
-0.018 = 0.413Sin(7.5973 + ∅)
-0.04358 = Sin(7.5973 + ∅)
From here on, i am confused, [...snip...]
Take the inverse sine of both sides of the equation. The inverse sine is sometimes called ARCSIN, Arcsin, asin, Asin, ASIN, arc sine, or sin-1().

Your calculator should have this function. If not, maybe your computer's calculator has it. For example on Windows 7, go to the accessories start menu folder, and open the calculator. Click on View / Scientific. Select either radians or degrees, depending one which units you are working with for this problem. Enter the "-0.04285" value. Click the inverse button. Then click on sin-1.
 
Thanks, i feel stupid now (: Can't believe i didn't see that. Thank you!
 
trig functions can be intimidating - a lot gets hidden in those letters.
 
I'm having a similar problem. I need to find the phase constant for the function
x(t) = A(cos ωt + phi) so that I can find x when t = 0. When t = 2, x = 0.125. I found the amplitude, but I need the phase constant.

My values: 0.125 = 0.528 cos [(6.75)(2) + phi]

The attempt at a solution
I multiply 6.75 by 2 to get 13.5: 0.125 = 0.528 cos (13.5 + phi)
I then divide by 0.258: 0.23674 = cos (13.5 + phi)
At that point, I don't know what else to do. Any help would be appreciated.
 
Your next step is to take the inverse cosine of both sides.
This is called arccos or cos-1.

cos-1(0.23674) = 13.5 + phi

it is the acos function in gnu-octave and is accessed via [inv]+[cos] on most scientific calculators.
 

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