Calculating Induced EMF from AM Radio Station at 4 Miles Away

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The discussion revolves around calculating the induced electromotive force (EMF) in a dipole antenna due to an AM radio station broadcasting at a distance of 4 miles. The problem involves understanding the relationship between power, intensity, and electric fields in the context of electromagnetic waves.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the intensity of the electromagnetic wave and its dependence on distance from the source. There are inquiries about the appropriate equations to use, particularly regarding the relationship between power, intensity, and electric field strength. Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions of variables in the equations provided.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the problem, including the use of isotropic radiation patterns and the concept of power density. There is an ongoing exploration of the necessary equations for calculating the induced voltage across the antenna, with some clarification provided on the relationship between electric field strength and induced voltage.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of specific equations related to electrically small dipole antennas and express uncertainty about certain factors that may affect the calculations. There is also a mention of a potential typo in the equations being discussed.

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Here is the question i am working on:

An AM radio station broadcasts with average power 4000 W in all directions. A dipole receiving antenna 65 cm long is at a location 4 miles from the transmitter. Compute the amplitude of the emp that is induced be this signal between the ends of the antenna.

I know that the intensity of power falls off as \frac{1}{r^2} but i am not sure how to get the power at 4 miles.

i see on a website that intensity of an EM wave a distance r from the source is I=\frac{P_s}{4\pi r^2} and also that I=\frac{I{E_{rms}}^2}{c\mu_0}. I was thinking to equate these two expressions but i do not know what the I and Erms refer to in the second equation. thanks for the help.
 
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Assuming an isotropic radiation pattern (as the problem implies), the 4kW of power will uniformly be going through a spherical area at the 4 mile radius. That will give you a power density, which should give you the E-field. The 65cm antenna is way the heck off resonance for the US AM broadcast band, so you will use "electrically small" dipole antenna equations to calculate the terminal voltage given that electric field intensity... Does your textbook cover electrically small dipole antennas?
 
no i do not have the equations, in fact the only equations i have are the ones i have mentioned in the question, i would be grateful if you could show me the equations to use in this problem
 
thenewbosco said:
Here is the question i am working on:

An AM radio station broadcasts with average power 4000 W in all directions. A dipole receiving antenna 65 cm long is at a location 4 miles from the transmitter. Compute the amplitude of the emp that is induced be this signal between the ends of the antenna.

I know that the intensity of power falls off as \frac{1}{r^2} but i am not sure how to get the power at 4 miles.

i see on a website that intensity of an EM wave a distance r from the source is I=\frac{P_s}{4\pi r^2} and also that I=\frac{I{E_{rms}}^2}{c\mu_0}. I was thinking to equate these two expressions but i do not know what the I and Erms refer to in the second equation. thanks for the help.

You have a typo in the sceond equation. There is no I on the right hand side. It is I=\frac{{E_{rms}}^2}{c\mu_0}. The I on the left side is the same I appearing in P/(4 pi r^2).

As for E_RMS, it is simply E_{max}/ {\sqrt{2}}.


So, with the distance and the power of the source, you can find I and then calculate the rms value of the electric field.

I am not totally sure what the question is asking...the voltage induced in he antenna? Or what else?

Pat
 
yes, the voltage induced across the antenna is what it is asking i believe
 
thenewbosco said:
yes, the voltage induced across the antenna is what it is asking i believe

Ok. Then the rms voltage across the antenna is I think simply the value of the rms electric field at that point times the length of the antenna. The only thing I am not 100% sure about is whether there is a factor of two in this relation, but the voltage is for sure the Efield times the length of the antenna (apart possibly a factor of 2).

Patrick
 
thanks for the help, i have gotten the correct answer
 

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