Calculating Inductance of Toroid Core - Tips & Formula

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The discussion revolves around calculating the inductance of a toroidal core, focusing on the necessary parameters such as inner and outer diameters, height, wire radius, number of turns, and permeability of the core. Participants seek formulas and insights related to this calculation, particularly in the context of building a DC-DC converter.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in finding a suitable formula for calculating inductance that incorporates all relevant parameters.
  • Another participant suggests that the first link provided by the original poster explains how to derive the formula needed.
  • A different participant mentions that wire diameter has minimal effect on inductance as long as the required number of turns fits within the air gap.
  • Concerns are raised about the frequency dependence of permeability, noting that it can significantly drop at higher frequencies.
  • Temperature effects on inductance stability are highlighted, especially for applications like oscillators.
  • The original poster indicates uncertainty about how to proceed with the calculation due to missing information on the permeability of the core material.
  • A question is posed regarding the magnetic field characteristics outside the toroidal coil.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to calculate the inductance, and multiple viewpoints regarding the influence of various factors on inductance remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the available information, particularly regarding the specific material properties of the toroidal core, which are necessary for accurate calculations.

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Hello, I need help with calculating inductance of a toroid core. I tried googling and came up with 3 results, but they don't really help. Links are:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/indtor.html
http://www.nessengr.com/techdata/toroid/toroid.html
http://www.phys.uri.edu/~gerhard/PHY204/tsl267.pdf

The information I have:

Toroid inner diameter: 8 mm
Toroid outside diameter: 15 mm
Toroid height: 6 mm
Wire radius: 0.63 mm
Number of turns: 60

I need a formula that takes into consideration inside and outside diameter (or radius), height, wire radius, number of turns and permeability of the core. None of the formulas in above links seem to do that.

Thanks in advance.
 
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The first link above tells you how to come up with the formula. This link carries it out
http://www.phys.ufl.edu/~acosta/phy2061/lectures/Inductance.pdf"
 
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marcusl said:
The first link above tells you how to come up with the formula. This link carries it out
http://www.phys.ufl.edu/~acosta/phy2061/lectures/Inductance.pdf"
Thanks for link, I'll give it a read tomorrow (going to bed now). After that I'll ask further questions (if there are any). :)
 
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You have some very good references already, but I have attached another one which gives some information about the uses of different types of toroid.
I found it on HamRadioIndia.org. Very well presented and hopefully accurate.
View attachment toroid_datasheet.pdf

Wire diameter doesn't have much effect on the inductance of a toroid as long as you can fit the required number of turns into the air gap.

Frequency does have a huge effect on some toroid materials. Permeability can drop to 10% of the low frequency value, or less.
So, it really needs to be measured or specified at the frequency you wish to use it at.

Also, temperature has a big effect and if stability is an issue (such as when making coils for oscillators) this should be considered.

Another useful document is this one:
http://www.fair-rite.com/newfair/pdf/Broadband.pdf
which deals with broadband transformers using ferrite materials.

Try to get the makers data sheet for the actual core you are using. Usually, their data is very thorough and helpful.

It is a bit of a black art, though, and eventually you have to put some wire on a ferrite and start measuring.
 
Many thanks guys, I'll give them a thorough read when I get back from college.

The thing is, I'm trying to make a DC-DC 12V/24V converter and the author of circuit I'm using hasn't specified inductance, but has given above information instead. There is no talk about permeability (i.e. specific material used for toroid) so I don't even know where to start to calculate needed inductance. :/ Any ideas?

Here's a direct quote from the author:

"L1 is made by winding 60 turns of 0.63MM magnet wire on a toroidial core measuring 15MM (OD) by 8MM (ID) by 6MM (H)."
 
what is the magnetic field outside the torroidal coil - ie in the centre and on the outside
 

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