Calculating Initial Push Force for Box on Floor | Friction Problem

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the calculation of forces related to static and kinetic friction as a mover pushes a box weighing 200 N. The problem specifically asks for the difference in force required to initiate movement compared to maintaining a constant speed of 10 m/s.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the forces involved, including static and kinetic friction, and question the initial calculations regarding the forces needed to start and maintain movement. There is an exploration of the difference between the forces required for static versus kinetic friction.

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Some participants have offered insights into the relationship between static and kinetic friction forces, while others are clarifying their understanding of the question. There appears to be a productive exploration of the concepts involved, although not all participants are aligned in their interpretations.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and implications of static and kinetic friction, as well as the specific conditions under which the box is being pushed. There is an acknowledgment of confusion regarding the question's requirements.

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Homework Statement



A mover pushes a box weighing 200 N along a floor. The coefficient of static friction between the box and the floor is 0.8, while the coefficient of kinetic friction between the box and the floor is 0.2. The mover pushes the box from rest to a constant speed of 10 m/s.

How much harder must the mover push initially to get the box going than to maintain the box’s speed at 10 m/s?

The Attempt at a Solution



Force due to static friction = 200*0.8 = 160 N which should be the answer as the force is applied 'initially'. The answer given is 120 N which ridicules me.
 
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At 10 m/s, what is the force due to kinetic friction?

The difference between static and kinetic will give you "How much harder must the mover push initially".
 
Static frictional force acts till the object starts moving. It's maximum value is 160N. If you apply 160-40 = 120 N to the block, it won't move at all.
 
That's true that if you apply only 120N to the block it will not start to move, but the question is asking what the difference in force required to start the block moving vs the force required to push the block once it is moving.
 
hmm... I guess I did not understand the question earlier.
 

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