Calculating Inner Wall Temperature of Cylindrical Rocket Engine

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The discussion revolves around calculating the inner wall temperature of a cylindrical rocket engine's combustion chamber, considering heat transfer dynamics. Participants explore the implications of steady-state versus transient heat transfer, the relationship between outer and inner temperatures, and the effects of time on temperature measurements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a scenario involving a cylindrical rocket engine with a known outer surface temperature and seeks to determine the inner wall temperature, assuming one-dimensional heat transfer.
  • Another participant questions whether the situation is truly steady state, suggesting it may be transient heat transfer since the outer temperature is measured as a function of time.
  • A participant confirms the transient nature of the heat transfer, asserting that while the combustion process may be steady state, the outer wall temperature varies over time.
  • Concerns are raised about the difficulty of deducing the inner temperature from the outer temperature measurements, particularly early in the heating process due to the time required for temperature changes to propagate through the wall.
  • Another participant suggests that determining the inner temperature would be simpler if the system were allowed to reach steady state, where only thermal conductivity and heat transfer coefficients would be needed.

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Participants express differing views on whether the heat transfer situation is steady state or transient, indicating a lack of consensus on the nature of the heat transfer involved.

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Participants highlight the potential limitations in measuring temperature as a function of time and the implications for accuracy in deducing inner wall temperatures from outer measurements.

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Suppose you have a cylindrical rocket engine with surface temperature T and you want to measure temperature on the inner wall T0 of the combustion chamber (assume 1 dimensional heat transfer). The chamber has thickness d, and heat transfer coefficient k. If combustion is assumed to occur instantaneously, and the engine runs at steady state (constant chamber temperature) what is the inner wall temperature if the outer surface has temperature T after t seconds?

Some background: I have a rocket engine that I need to measure the inner wall temperature on using thermocouples affixed to various locations on the outer surface. The operation time was previously 6 seconds. I'm assuming steady state operation, and one dimensional heat transfer from the inner wall to the reference junction of the thermocouple. I just haven't taken heat transfer and don't know the relationship between outer temperature, inner temperature, wall thickness, heat transfer coefficient, and time.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
 
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mrknight415 said:
Suppose you have a cylindrical rocket engine with surface temperature T and you want to measure temperature on the inner wall T0 of the combustion chamber (assume 1 dimensional heat transfer). The chamber has thickness d, and heat transfer coefficient k. If combustion is assumed to occur instantaneously, and the engine runs at steady state (constant chamber temperature) what is the inner wall temperature if the outer surface has temperature T after t seconds?

Some background: I have a rocket engine that I need to measure the inner wall temperature on using thermocouples affixed to various locations on the outer surface. The operation time was previously 6 seconds. I'm assuming steady state operation, and one dimensional heat transfer from the inner wall to the reference junction of the thermocouple. I just haven't taken heat transfer and don't know the relationship between outer temperature, inner temperature, wall thickness, heat transfer coefficient, and time.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
This might not be a steady state heat transfer situation, since you are asking what is happening as a function of time. I'm guessing that it is a transient heat transfer situation. Let me see if I understand correctly. You are measuring the temperature on the outer surface as a function of time and trying to deduce what the temperature on the inside surface of the chamber was as a function of time. Correct?
 
Chestermiller said:
This might not be a steady state heat transfer situation, since you are asking what is happening as a function of time. I'm guessing that it is a transient heat transfer situation. Let me see if I understand correctly. You are measuring the temperature on the outer surface as a function of time and trying to deduce what the temperature on the inside surface of the chamber was as a function of time. Correct?

That would be correct, yes the heat transfer would be transient... I am assuming that the combustion process is steady state, hence, constant inner wall temperature, with outer wall temperature a function of time.
 
mrknight415 said:
That would be correct, yes the heat transfer would be transient... I am assuming that the combustion process is steady state, hence, constant inner wall temperature, with outer wall temperature a function of time.
So it still isn't clear what you are trying to determine. It's much easier to figure out what the inside temperature is if you have time to wait until the system reaches steady state. Then, all you need to know is the thermal conductivity of the metal and the outside heat transfer coefficient. On the other hand, what is the rationale for measuring the outside temperature vs time and using that to deduce the inside temperature? Your resolution is going to be very low at the beginning because it takes time for the temperature profile to propagate across the metal wall. I guess I just don't have a good idea of what you are trying to accomplish.

Chet
 

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