Calculating km/hr from engine rpm

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The discussion revolves around calculating the speed of a car in km/hr based on engine RPM, gear ratio, wheel diameter, and other parameters. Participants explore the relationship between engine RPM and wheel speed, considering factors such as gear ratio and wheel circumference.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates speed by multiplying engine RPM by the gear ratio and converting to distance, resulting in an implausibly high speed of 2000 km/hr.
  • Another participant suggests dividing the engine RPM by the gear ratio to find wheel RPM, leading to a calculated speed of approximately 12 km/hr, which they consider reasonable.
  • It is noted that the transmission is geared extremely low, which could explain the low speed calculation.
  • Participants discuss the irrelevance of the car's weight and transmission efficiency in the speed calculation, although they acknowledge these factors affect acceleration and power delivery.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the initial calculations, as one participant's high speed calculation is challenged by another's lower, seemingly more reasonable result. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the parameters provided.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the relevance of certain parameters, such as weight and transmission efficiency, in the context of speed calculation. There is also a lack of clarity on the assumptions made in the calculations.

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Homework Statement



the gear ratio between crankshaft and driveshaft calculates to be 13.579 at first gear

the diameter of the car wheel is 0.6m

the transmission efficiency is 0.85

weight of the car is 1200kg

if the engineer is running at 1500rpm how do you calculate the speed in km/hr generated by the engine

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The Attempt at a Solution



since gear ratio is 13.579 I multiplied it to 1500 rpm then by 60 to get revolutions per hour
and I multiplied result by (0.6*pi) to obtain the distance it traveled in an hour.

then I get something like 2000km/hr which I think is ridiculously high?

so I tried to divide 1500rpm by the gear ratio and then calculated, then I get somting like 12km/hr which I think is too low.

what have I done wrong
 
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sozener1 said:

Homework Statement



the gear ratio between crankshaft and driveshaft calculates to be 13.579 at first gear

the diameter of the car wheel is 0.6m

the transmission efficiency is 0.85

weight of the car is 1200kg

if the engineer is running at 1500rpm how do you calculate the speed in km/hr generated by the engine

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



since gear ratio is 13.579 I multiplied it to 1500 rpm then by 60 to get revolutions per hour
and I multiplied result by (0.6*pi) to obtain the distance it traveled in an hour.

then I get something like 2000km/hr which I think is ridiculously high?

so I tried to divide 1500rpm by the gear ratio and then calculated, then I get somting like 12km/hr which I think is too low.

what have I done wrong

You need to divide the engine RPM by 13.579 to get the wheel RPM. For every 13.579 revolutions of the crankshaft, the wheel goes around once.

So by very rough calculations, at 1500 RPM the wheels are turning at about 100 RPM. Each revolution of the wheel is ~ 2m, so the wheels are covering about 200 m/min. That works out to 12,000 m/hr or about 12 Km/hr, which is the same as what you got.

I think this is a reasonable result. The transmission in this vehicle is geared extremely low. With gearing this low, you could probably pull stumps out. The gearing for cars is typically in the range of about 3.0:1 to 4.5:1. Also, at 1500 RPM, the engine isn't turning very fast, with idle being somewhere around, say 800 RPM. A lot of cars have a redline above 6500, and some motorcycles have redlines up around 12,000 - 14,000 RPM.

Some of the data you posted is extraneous -- the weight of the car doesn't enter into these calculations, although it does play a role in the acceleration. Also, the transmission efficiency doesn't play a role, although it does affect the power at the rear wheels.
 
Mark44 said:
You need to divide the engine RPM by 13.579 to get the wheel RPM. For every 13.579 revolutions of the crankshaft, the wheel goes around once.

So by very rough calculations, at 1500 RPM the wheels are turning at about 100 RPM. Each revolution of the wheel is ~ 2m, so the wheels are covering about 200 m/min. That works out to 12,000 m/hr or about 12 Km/hr, which is the same as what you got.

I think this is a reasonable result. The transmission in this vehicle is geared extremely low. With gearing this low, you could probably pull stumps out. The gearing for cars is typically in the range of about 3.0:1 to 4.5:1. Also, at 1500 RPM, the engine isn't turning very fast, with idle being somewhere around, say 800 RPM. A lot of cars have a redline above 6500, and some motorcycles have redlines up around 12,000 - 14,000 RPM.

Some of the data you posted is extraneous -- the weight of the car doesn't enter into these calculations, although it does play a role in the acceleration. Also, the transmission efficiency doesn't play a role, although it does affect the power at the rear wheels.

thank you so much for the detailed explanations it really helped
 

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