Calculating Lande g-Factor for 3S1, 3P0, 3P1, 3P2 States

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The discussion revolves around calculating the Lande g-factor for various atomic states, specifically 3S1, 3P0, 3P1, and 3P2. Participants express confusion regarding the relationships between quantum numbers and the implications for the g-factor, particularly in the context of the Zeeman effect.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants attempt to apply the formula for the Lande g-factor but express confusion about the quantum numbers associated with the states, particularly regarding the values of J, L, and S. Questions arise about the validity of J being equal to L + S and the implications of vector addition in quantum mechanics.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide clarifications regarding the range of possible J values based on the quantum numbers, suggesting that J can take on multiple values depending on the vector addition of L and S. There is acknowledgment of the need for further assistance, particularly in calculating g for specific cases like Eu(3+).

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the problem, including the potential for confusion stemming from the quantum mechanical treatment of angular momentum and the specific configurations of electron orbitals in the context of the Lande g-factor calculations.

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Im getting very confused about how to calculate the lande g-factor for the 3S1, 3P0, 3P1, and 3P2 states

I know its equal to

http://www.pha.jhu.edu/~rt19/hydro/img208.gif

but if i have state 3P0 where S=1 as 2S+1 = 3 and L=P=1 and J=0, but J=L+S which isn't =1?

I've read myself into a hole can someone help us out?


I should say the g-value is used in the zeeman effect. Gives the energy shift as ratio of bohr magneton

http://www.pha.jhu.edu/~rt19/hydro/img207.gif
 
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neu said:
Im getting very confused about how to calculate the lande g-factor for the 3S1, 3P0, 3P1, and 3P2 states

I know its equal to

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/math/b/6/e/b6e998bf64dfdc8346b1937dac439df5.png

but if i have state 3P0 where S=1 as 2S+1 = 3 and L=P=1 and J=0, but J=L+S which isn't =1?

I've read myself into a hole can someone help us out?
J = L±S yes?
 
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Why would you need to calculate it if there is no electron at that energy level? Guess I'm missing something.
 
neu said:
Im getting very confused about how to calculate the lande g-factor for the 3S1, 3P0, 3P1, and 3P2 states

I know its equal to

http://www.pha.jhu.edu/~rt19/hydro/img208.gif

but if i have state 3P0 where S=1 as 2S+1 = 3 and L=P=1 and J=0, but J=L+S which isn't =1?

I've read myself into a hole can someone help us out?

Just plug in the values of S,L and J.

Your problem does not seem to be in finding g but in vector addition in QM. Recall that in QM, writing {\vec J } = {\vec L } + {\vec S} means that J will range from |L-S| to |L+S| in steps of 1. So, if S=1 and L=1, J could take any value between |1-1| and |1+1| so J may be equal to 0, 1 or 2. Your 3P0, 3P1 and 3P2 states correspond to those three possible values of J.

Hope this makes helps.

Patrick
 
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Thats exactly the clarity i needed thankyou
 
I'm stuck with calculating g and p for Eu(3+).

The outtermost orbitals in Eu is 4f7 5s2 5p6 6s2. Eu(3+) has 4f6 as the last orbital.

Thus, S = 3, L = 3 and J = 0 since J = L - S here.

How do I calculate g (using the formula given above) and then p. (p = g[S(S+1)]).

The experimental value for p = 3.4 and I read that g must be 2 in this case.

I am at a loss how to arrive at this result.

Can anyone help?
 
:cry::confused::rolleyes:

Someone please help . . .
 

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