Calculating Length of Curve: 0 ≤ x ≤ a | x2/a2 + y2/b2 = 1

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The discussion revolves around calculating the length of a curve defined by the equation of an ellipse, specifically for the range 0 ≤ x ≤ a. Participants are exploring the implications of the equation and the integral involved in determining the length.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the arc length formula and expresses confusion about integrating the resulting expression. They also consider changing variables to simplify the integral but question the implications of this change on the limits.

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Participants are engaging in a critical examination of the original poster's reasoning. Some have pointed out potential flaws in the proposed answer, while others suggest reconsidering the approach to finding the length of the ellipse. There is no explicit consensus on the next steps, but the discussion is ongoing.

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Participants note that the curve represents an ellipse, which raises questions about the relationship between the parameters a and b and the length of the curve. The original poster also reflects on the implications of finding a general expression for the length.

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Hi, I'm stumped! :confused:

I've been asked to calculate the length of a curve with the equation...

[tex]\frac{x^2}{a^2}+\frac{y^2}{b^2}=1[/tex]

for the range [tex]0 \leq x \leq a[/tex]


I've been trying to apply the equation...

[tex]\int\sqrt{1+\left(\frac{dy}{dx}\right)^2}\times dx[/tex]

I think...

[tex]y=b\times\sqrt{1-\frac{x^2}{a^2}}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{-b\times x}{a^2\times\sqrt{1-\frac{x^2}{a^2}}}[/tex]

[tex]\left(\frac{dy}{dx}\right)^2=\frac{b^2\times x^2}{a^2\times(a^2-x^2)}[/tex]

[tex]Length=\int\sqrt{1+\frac{b^2\times x^2}{a^2\times(a^2-x^2)}}\times dx[/tex]

and then if that is right i get stuck and don't know how to do that integral with the limits above.

I tried to say that since...

[tex]\frac{1}{a^2}[/tex] and [tex]\frac{1}{b^2}[/tex] are constants i can ignore them and follow the method here:

http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~igc/tch/ma1002/int/node21.html (example 2.8 the last one on the page)

but instead of [tex]x^2[/tex] and [tex]y^2[/tex] i'd call my new variables [tex]c^2[/tex] and [tex]D^2[/tex] and then i thought if i did that i'd have to change the range and since [tex]\frac{x^2}{a^2}=c^2[/tex] then the new range would be [tex]0 \leq \sqrt{c^2 \times a^2}\leq a[/tex] which i thought

might be the same as [tex]0 \leq c \leq 1[/tex] which i think gives an answer of [tex]\frac{\pi}{2}[/tex].

But i think I'm probably wrong any help would be appreciated thanks :smile:
 
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As a quick check to why your answer is wrong:

The curve you're looking at is an ellipse. Surely you can agree that if a and b increase, the length will increase. So [tex]\frac{\pi}{2}[/tex] doesn't really make much sense
 
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Just forget about about trying to find the general expression for the length of the circumference of an ellipse.

It can be done, but you'll only end up with a rather pointless series solution.
 
Thanks for your replies, to Office_Shredder ~ yeah i was thinking [tex]\frac{\pi}{2}[/tex] didn't really make sense in fact errm oh yeah how can the length be a constant if I'm finding a general expression :redface: to arildno ~ would you suggest i should just leave my expression as that integral then if that is right?
 

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