Calculating Limit as x-->pi/4: Solve Tan(x-pi/4)+1/x-pi/4

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The discussion revolves around calculating the limit as x approaches π/4 for the expression [tan(x - π/4) + 1] / (x - π/4). Participants explore the nature of the limit and its relation to derivatives.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss transforming the limit into a derivative form and question whether this is applicable given the structure of the limit. Some express confusion over the correct approach and the implications of the limit being in the form "1/0".

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering different perspectives on whether the limit can be interpreted through derivatives. Some suggest that the limit does not exist based on the behavior of the numerator and denominator, while others question the feasibility of applying derivative methods.

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There is an ongoing debate about the applicability of derivative concepts to this limit, with participants noting the difference between forms that yield "0/0" versus "1/0".

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Homework Statement



Calculate the limit as x-->pi/4 of [tan(x-pi/4)+1]/x-pi/4

Homework Equations



lim h-->0 of [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h = f'(x)

lim x--->a [f(x)-f(a)]/(x-a) = f'(x)

The Attempt at a Solution



I've attempted to turn this equation into the form f(x)-f(a)/x-a by letting f(x)=tanx and a=pi/4

This turns into -[-tan(x+a)-tan(a)]/x-a...which isn't the correct derivative form. .I've tried other methods which also turn into similar garble (a minus sign backwards, x-h rather than x+h and the like).

Can anyone see what the problem is? Thanks
 
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The limit

[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow \pi/4}{\frac{\tan(x-\pi/4)+1}{x-\pi/4}}[/tex]

Is of the form "1/0". Thus the limit is always [tex]+\infty[/tex] or [tex]-\infty[/tex] or it doesn't exist (if the left limit does not equal the right limit). Which one is it?
 
Oh is is actually this easy?

In that case, I would think since the numerator will always be positive regardless of which side the limit approaches from, and the denominator will switch signs depending on which side it approaches from, then the limit from the left will be -infinity and will be +infinite from the right, then the limit will not exist.

Are you sure there isn't a way to do this with derivatives? I thought this is what the question was getting at
 
Yes, I know it looks a lot like a derivative. But this method is definitely simpler then to change the limit into a derivative (if there is a way of doing that).

I don't think that you can change this limit into a derivative-limit. A derivative will yield "0/0", while this is "1/0".
 
Well, if the question was

[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow \pi/4}{\frac{\tan(x)-1}{x-\pi/4}}[/tex]

Then you can do some derivative-stuff. But I don't really see a possibility here...
 
Okay that makes sense. Thanks for the help
 

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