Calculating Magnetic Force on a Moving Particle

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The problem involves calculating the magnetic force on a charged particle moving in a magnetic field. The particle has a charge of −2.50×10-8 C and is moving at a velocity of 40.0 km/sec at an angle of 50.0° from the +x axis. The magnetic field is specified in different orientations, and the task is to determine the magnitude and direction of the force exerted on the particle in each case.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the formula F=|q|VBsin(θ) and question the implications of the angle in relation to the direction of the magnetic field. There are attempts to clarify the conditions under which the force can be zero and how to interpret the angles involved in the calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on the relationship between the velocity of the particle and the magnetic field, emphasizing the importance of the angle in determining the force. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct angles and directions for the forces in different scenarios, with some participants expressing confusion about their calculations and interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note issues with unit conversions and the interpretation of angles in the context of the problem. There is a recognition that the original poster is new to the topic, which may contribute to the uncertainty in their understanding.

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Homework Statement



A particle with a charge of −2.50×10-8 C is moving with an instantaneous velocity of magnitude 40.0 km/sec in the xy-plane at an angle of 50.0° counterclockwise from the +x axis.

1) What is the magnitude of the force exerted on this particle by a magnetic field with magnitude 2.00 T in the -x direction?

2) What is the direction of the force exerted on this particle by a magnetic field with magnitude 2.00 T in the +z direction?
Please, enter your answer as a counterclockwise angle from the +y direction to the direction of the force.

3) What is the magnitude of the force exerted on this particle by a magnetic field with magnitude 2.00 T in the +z direction?

Homework Equations



F=|q|VBsin(θ)

The Attempt at a Solution



I thought 1) would be: 0 N because the force is in the -z direction and I have no idea conceptually what I doing wrong here.
And I thought part 3) was (-2.50x10-8)(4x105)(2)(sin(50)) but I was wrong and I'm not sure why.
Part 2) I have no idea what to do or how to get there.

I'm completely new here, but I've looked at past question and that has really helped a lot, so I was hoping more interaction would be even better.

Thanks guys, and please be as detailed as you can, I'm not sure why I'm not getting this...
 
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Hi inovermyhead! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(have a theta: θ and try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)

The force from a magnetic field B is q(v x B).

In particular, the magnitude in 1) isn't zero (it will never be zero unless θ is zero), and the angle in 3) isn't 50º.
 


Thank you for the quick link, I hope I fixed all the formatting errors.

About the problem:

What happens to the force if it isn't "flowing" in that direction?
I get that it's not zero but if it isn't in that direction, what's going on with it?

I know the force is F=|q|VBsin(θ), but what are you doing to the angle if the force is -z and they are asking about +z?
 
Hi inovermyhead! :smile:

(just got up :zzz: …)
inovermyhead said:
What happens to the force if it isn't "flowing" in that direction?
I get that it's not zero but if it isn't in that direction, what's going on with it?

Think of the particle as "cutting through" the magnetic field lines …

if it's moving parallel to them, it doesn't cut any, so the force is zero …

if it's moving perpendicular to them, the force is maximum …

generally, the force is proportional to sine of the angle. :wink:
I know the force is F=|q|VBsin(θ), but what are you doing to the angle if the force is -z and they are asking about +z?

θ = 180º, so sinθ = 0, and the force is zero, same as if they were both +z.

(but that's not the case in any of your three questions)
 
Errr... okay:

I know that one is: (2.5x10-8)(4x104)(2)(sin(50))
**I had messed up my km to m conversion, and feel remarkably stupid***
and
I know that three is: (2.5x10-8)(4x104)(2)(sin(90))

but I'm still unsure what to do with part 2.
I thought it would be 230° from the y-axis and was wrong and now I'm at a complete loss. So am I just getting my angles wrong?
 
inovermyhead said:
A particle with a charge of −2.50×10-8 C is moving with an instantaneous velocity of magnitude 40.0 km/sec in the xy-plane at an angle of 50.0° counterclockwise from the +x axis.

2) What is the direction of the force exerted on this particle by a magnetic field with magnitude 2.00 T in the +z direction?
Please, enter your answer as a counterclockwise angle from the +y direction to the direction of the force.
inovermyhead said:
… but I'm still unsure what to do with part 2.
I thought it would be 230° from the y-axis and was wrong and now I'm at a complete loss. So am I just getting my angles wrong?

Let's see …

the force will be in the direction of q(v x F),

which is the direction of -v x z,

so it's perpendicular to both v and z, either up-left or down-right.

Which? :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
Let's see …

the force will be in the direction of q(v x F),

which is the direction of -v x z,

so it's perpendicular to both v and z, either up-left or down-right.

Which? :smile:
Down right is what I assumed it was, which makes sense to me, at the 230 from the +y-axis, but it wasn't right.
 
inovermyhead said:
Down right is what I assumed it was, which makes sense to me, at the 230 from the +y-axis, but it wasn't right.

No, because it's in the direction of -v x z, which is z x v;

and z x x = y, so "z x " rotates x (and anything else in the plane) anti-clockwise …

so it'll be up-left. :smile:
 
*Bangs Head on Desk*

Okay. So it's 50...

Thank you for all of your help, I really appreciate it.
 

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