Calculating masses of 2 objects pushing off of one another

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The problem involves two ice dancers, Boris and Natasha, who have a combined mass and are moving apart after pushing off each other. The goal is to determine their individual masses based on their velocities and the principle of conservation of momentum.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of momentum equations, with some suggesting the use of an inelastic collision formula. Questions arise about the need for substitution and the interpretation of initial conditions.

Discussion Status

Several participants are exploring different interpretations of the momentum conservation principle. There is an ongoing exchange of methods and equations, with some guidance provided on how to set up the equations based on the dancers' movements. No consensus has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of a time variable and the challenge of solving for two unknowns with only one equation available. The combined mass of the dancers is a key constraint in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Two ice dancers, Boris and Natasha, have a combined mass of 136kg. They embrace and push apart from each other: Boris moving at 0.90m/s and Natasha moving at 1.2m/s in the opposite direction. Find their individual masses.

Homework Equations


p=mv


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It seems so stunningly simple, yet I am at a loss as to how to attempt it without having a time variable or knowing the mass of one of the skaters.
 
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use the equation (m1+m2)vf=mv1+mv2, this is an inelastic collision problem. Maybe that will help a little more than p=mv
 
Thanks, so does that mean it should be something along the lines of (m1+m2)vf=(136kg)(0.90m/s)+(136kg)(1.2m/s)? Should I be using substitution at some point during this problem?
 
no, both ice dancers start together, then push a part from each other
(m1 + m2)v just equals the momentum of the two dancers as a whole because they both initially start out together.
so the only two unknown variables are m1 and m2
 
(136 kg) * 0 m/s = m1 (1.2 m/s) + m2 ( -.9 m/s)

0 = 1.2m + -.9 m Keep in mind they are separate variables

You also have m1 + m2 = 136.

So put those equations on top of each other and i like to use elimination. Here is the work:

1.2m -.9 m = 0
-1.2(m1 + m2 = 136)
Which gives you
1.2 m -.9 m =0
-1.2 m -1.2 m = -163.2
Which simplifies to
-2.1 m = -163.2 (we are solving for m2, i always made m2 second in every equation)
m2 = 77.71 kg
m1= 136- 77.71= 58.29 kg

You can check it and you get there respective momentums which should be equal to be 69.948= -69.939, so its close enough

* And yeah my method is a little different from the other persons. I did this chapter a while ago so i kind of forgot that stuff..lol
 

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