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The discussion centers on calculating the mean thermal wavelength for relativistic particles, specifically focusing on photons and the differences in equations for massless versus massive particles. Participants seek to understand the derivation of these equations and their applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests assistance in calculating the mean thermal wavelength for relativistic particles, particularly for photons.
  • Another participant notes that there are different equations for massless and massive particles, providing the equation for massless particles: λ = hc/(π^(1/3) 2kT) and mentioning the thermal de Broglie wavelength for massive particles.
  • A subsequent reply acknowledges the provided equation but requests further clarification on how to derive it, indicating familiarity with the relation for phonons.
  • Another participant suggests that the equation is defined rather than derived, but also references a paper proposing a generalized equation for thermal wavelength applicable to all particles in n-dimensional space with a power law dispersion relation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of deriving the equation for thermal wavelength, with some suggesting it is simply defined while others seek a more rigorous derivation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the derivation and applicability of the equations presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the nature of the particles and the specific conditions under which the equations apply. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps needed to derive the equations mentioned.

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hi
i want to calculate "mean thermal wavelength for relativistic particles"for example for photon .
i don't khow how can i do it.
please help me.
thankyou.
 
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There are different (final) equations for massless particles than for massive particles. For massless particles, you use,
[tex]\lambda = \frac{hc}{\pi^{1/3} 2kT}[/tex]
and for massive particles, you use the thermal de Broglie wavelength. In general, you can extract a thermal wavelength out of the dispersion relation for the particle.
 
Gokul43201 said:
There are different (final) equations for massless particles than for massive particles. For massless particles, you use,
[tex]\lambda = \frac{hc}{\pi^{1/3} 2kT}[/tex]
and for massive particles, you use the thermal de Broglie wavelength. In general, you can extract a thermal wavelength out of the dispersion relation for the particle.

thankyou for your answer
i know this relation for phonon,but can you send for me relations ,that give this equetion .
in fact ,i don't khow how can i obtain this equation
thankyou
 
One answer is that it is simply defined this way, and needs no derivation, but that would not be an accurate statement. In fact, there is a paper that proposes a generalized equation for the thermal wavelength for all particles (living in n-dimensional space) with a power law dispersion relation.

Z. Yan, "General thermal wavelength and its applications", Eur. J. Phys. 21 (2000) 625
 

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