Calculating Modulus of Elasticity for Material and Failure Point

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the modulus of elasticity for a material based on strain measurements under varying loads. Participants are attempting to derive the modulus of elasticity and identify the failure point of the material, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of the calculations involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents strain data and attempts to calculate Young's modulus using stress and strain values derived from the applied force and area.
  • Another participant suggests clarifying the area calculation and recommends using consistent units, specifically advocating for converting measurements to millimeters and using megapascals for stress.
  • A subsequent reply indicates a revised calculation for modulus of elasticity but raises questions about the source of certain values used in the calculation.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for clarification regarding the length of the material and points out that strain is dimensionless, suggesting that the strain values should be interpreted correctly to avoid confusion in calculations.
  • Discussion includes the observation that the stress-strain curve appears linear for initial load cases but becomes non-linear at higher loads, which may affect the determination of the modulus of elasticity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculations and interpretations of the data, with no consensus reached on the correct approach or values to use for determining the modulus of elasticity and the failure point.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential limitations in the problem statement, including missing information about the length of the material and the need for consistent unit usage throughout the calculations. There are also unresolved questions regarding the interpretation of strain values and their application in determining the modulus of elasticity.

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Hello, having some problems with calculating young's modulus, please help.

1. A Strain gauge records the following strain when a block of material is pulled:

Force(N) Strain(%)
100 0.01
1000 0.1
2000 0.179
3100 0.9

Area of block = 10cmx10cm

Work out the modulus of elasticity and when the material fails?


The Attempt at a Solution



Area over which force acts = 3.14x5x5
= 78.5cm2

In inches = 78.5/2.54
= 30.9 inch2

Stress = force/area
= 3100/30.9
=100.3 psi

E = Stress/Strain
= 100.3/0.9
= 111.4psi
 
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Perhaps first study how to compute the area of a square. If the material cross-sectional area is not a square, please clarify the problem statement. Also, try to avoid converting to a nondecimal, nonstandard, incoherent measurement system. Just convert cm to mm, and all stresses will be in MPa. Also study how to compute the slope of a straight line.
 
Thanks for the advice. I have made another attempt.

Area = 10x10
= 100cm2 or 10000mm2

E = Force applied x original length/area of cross section x change in length
= 1700 x 100/10000 x 0.17
= 100 Mpa

Not sure where I should use slope of straight line calculation.
 
boyblair: Yes, use 10 000 mm^2 for the area. You could compute the stress (force divided by area) at point 1 or 2. Then, to obtain E, in your particular case, you could divide stress by strain at point 1 or 2. I don't quite understand from where you got 1700 N and 0.17 %, but you somehow got the correct answer, nonetheless (except the unit symbol for megapascal is spelled MPa).
 
You are going to have to clarify the problem. Is the length of the bar given? Strain is a dimensionless quantity (change in length divided by original length). You indicate it as a percent; if that's the case, under the 100N load, for example, the strain is 0.0001, and the change in length (elongation) is 0.01 mm, if the bar is 100 mm long. The stress strain curve is linear for the first 2 load cases. I'd use one of those values for determining E. Then the strain goes way up (non linear) under the 3100N load. Is that the failure load? This value of strain under that load condition should not be used for determining E. Then be consistent in determining E. You can use either of your formulas
(E = stress/strain or E = FL/A(elongation)), but watch your units and values to use.
 

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