Calculating Net Charge in a Parallelepiped at Inclined Faces

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Homework Statement


The electric field ##\vec E_1 ## one face of a parallelepiped is uniform over the entire face and is directed out of the face. At the opposite face, the electric field ##\vec E_2 ## is also uniform over the entire face and is directed into that face. The two faces in question are inclined at 30.0° from the horizontal, while ##\vec E_1 ## and ##\vec E_2 ## are both horizontal; ##\vec E_1 ## has a magnitude of ##2.40*10^4 N/C## , and ##\vec E_2 ## has a magnitude of ##7.10*10^4 N/C##.

Assuming that no other electric field lines cross the surfaces of the parallelepiped, determine the net charge contained within.

Diagram of a parallelepiped slab tilted 30 degrees, with labelled dimensions 6.00 cm and 5.00 cm, field arrows E1 pointing out of the lower face and E2 pointing into the opposite face.


Homework Equations


##\oint \vec E \cdot d \vec A = {\frac{Q}{\epsilon_0}}##
## A = lw ##

The Attempt at a Solution



##\oint \vec E \cdot d \vec A = {\frac{Q}{\epsilon_0}}##
##EA = {\frac{Q}{\epsilon_0}}##
##Q = EA\epsilon_0##
## 2.4*10^4 - 7.1*10^4 = -4.7*10^4##
##Q = (-4.7*10^4)(6*10^{-2})(5*10^{-2})(sin(30°))(8.85*10^{-12})##
##Q = -6.24*10^{-10} C ##I already figured out the solution, but the only issue I have is the with the angle. I was convinced that I need to use cosine but after I got the answer wrong, I was told that I need to be using the sine function. I thought that since the E fields are moving in the horizontal direction, I would need to use cosine. What is the reason for using sine in this situation? Much appreciated!
 
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Homework Statement


The electric field ##\vec E_1 ## one face of a parallelepiped is uniform over the entire face and is directed out of the face. At the opposite face, the electric field ##\vec E_2 ## is also uniform over the entire face and is directed into that face. The two faces in question are inclined at 30.0° from the horizontal, while ##\vec E_1 ## and ##\vec E_2 ## are both horizontal; ##\vec E_1 ## has a magnitude of ##2.40*10^4 N/C## , and ##\vec E_2 ## has a magnitude of ##7.10*10^4 N/C##.

Assuming that no other electric field lines cross the surfaces of the parallelepiped, determine the net charge contained within.

Diagram of a slanted rectangular box with a 30 degree angle at its base, showing electric field arrows E1 pointing into the front face and E2 pointing into the top face. Dimensions labeled 6.00 cm and 5.00 cm.


Homework Equations


##\oint \vec E \cdot d \vec A = {\frac{Q}{\epsilon_0}}##
## A = lw ##

The Attempt at a Solution



##\oint \vec E \cdot d \vec A = {\frac{Q}{\epsilon_0}}##
##EA = {\frac{Q}{\epsilon_0}}##
##Q = EA\epsilon_0##
## 2.4*10^4 - 7.1*10^4 = -4.7*10^4##
##Q = (-4.7*10^4)(6*10^{-2})(5*10^{-2})(sin(30°))(8.85*10^{-12})##
##Q = -6.24*10^{-10} C ##I already figured out the solution, but the only issue I have is the with the angle. I was convinced that I need to use cosine but after I got the answer wrong, I was told that I need to be using the sine function. I thought that since the E fields are moving in the horizontal direction, I would need to use cosine. What is the reason for using sine in this situation? Much appreciated!
What is the angle made by the electric field and the normal to the surface?
 
The dot product of two vectors involves the cosine of the angle between the two vectors. So when considering ##\vec{E_1}\cdot\vec{dA}##, you need to find the angle between ##\vec{E_1}## and ##\vec{dA}##.
 
Okay this is my interpretation...the angle made between ## \vec {E_1} ## and ## \vec {dA} ## is 30°, as given by the problem. Now that I made this picture, I think I can see it. But just to make sure, sin(30) here is ##{\frac{E_{1y}}{E_{1x}}}##

So from there, I shouldn't have to take into account the angle formed by ##\vec {E_2}## and ##\vec {dA}## because I already found the net charge and it's going through the front...does that make sense or is there another reason not to include that angle?
 
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  • Side view sketch of a parallelepiped with two red arrows labelled E1 and E2 entering the slanted faces, each marked with a 30 degree angle to the face.
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  • Side view diagram of a parallelepiped with a green arrow labeled E1 and a blue arrow pointing out of the lower-left face, each marked at 30 degrees from the face; red arrows show field E1 and E2 at the left and right inclined faces.
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The area vector is the vector that is perpendicular to the area, so the green vector is ##\vec {dA}##

The rest of the equation makes sense, I think. I'm just having trouble putting together the electric field portion.
A is the area of the face
##\epsilon_0## is constant
E should be net field times angle
My textbook is basically saying the same thing as the link you sent, but I'm trying to see why cosine is used in the text and sine is needed here. Sine is opposite over hypotenuse, so in the example with the parallelepiped wouldn't that just be ##{\frac{\vec {E_{1y}}}{\vec {dA}}}##? Why wouldn't I want to use adjacent over hypotenuse (cosine), which would be ##{\frac{\vec {E_{1}}}{\vec {dA}}}##?

Edit: I added an image of what I'm talking about in case I'm violating ten different rules of trigonometry and geometry
 
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  • Side view of a parallelepiped with a red horizontal arrow labelled E1 on the left face and a red arrow labelled E2 on the right face. A green area vector labelled dA is drawn at the left face, with its component E1y shown in green, and angles of 30 degrees marked.
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What is the angle in degrees between the E vector and the A vector? How does the cosine of that angle compare to the sine of 30o?
 
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Ohh that angle is 60°, and cos(60)=sin(30). I just need to make sure I'm using the correct angle...thanks for pointing that out!