Calculating Normal Force: Adding/Subtracting?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the normal force acting on an object, particularly in scenarios involving forces applied at angles and on inclined planes. Participants are exploring when to add or subtract forces to determine the normal force in various contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss different methods for calculating the normal force, including the use of free body diagrams (FBD) and the components of forces acting on the object. Questions arise regarding the conditions under which to add or subtract forces, particularly in relation to gravitational force and applied forces at angles.

Discussion Status

There is an active exploration of the concepts involved in calculating normal force, with participants sharing their reasoning and questioning assumptions about the relationships between forces. Some guidance on using FBDs and considering force components has been offered, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of different scenarios, such as pulling versus pushing forces and the effects of incline angles on the normal force calculation. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity introduced by these factors.

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Homework Statement


How to know when one is suppose to add or subtract to get the normal force of an object.


Homework Equations


FN = Fg, FN = F sin(-)


The Attempt at a Solution



I believe to get the normal force of a 2 kg object when it is being pulled upwards by a force of 45 Newtons at an angle of 40 degrees is:
FN = 45 N sin(40) - 19.6 N
FN = 9.32 N

or is it:

FN = 45 N sin(40)
FN = 28.9 N

Which one is correct? How do I know when to add or subject the normal force and gravitational force?
 
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I usually draw the FBD and look at my positive and negative values.

Fn is perpendicualr to the slope of the incline, therefore it's equal to the y component of mg.
 
mizzy said:
I usually draw the FBD and look at my positive and negative values.

Fn is perpendicualr to the slope of the incline, therefore it's equal to the y component of mg.

How is it the normal force equal to the force of gravity? That is impossible with an incline. It is only possible if the mass is on a flat surface. However, I see your point of labeling the FBD. Therefore, my example that I used, the mass was being pulled upwards because the normal force was higher than the force of gravity?
 
If you push a cart with a force making an angle θ with the horizontal on the horizontal surface, then the normal force = mg + Fsinθ.
If you pull the cart in the above case, the normal force = mg - Fsinθ.
In your problem two forces are acting on the body.Net normal force is the sum of the components of two forces perpendicular to the surface of the inclined plane. 45 N is acting parallel to the inclined plane. So it has no vertical component with respect to the inclined plane. Hence the normal reaction is mg*cos(θ)
 
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