Is Fgy the Same as FN in a System with Two Masses and Friction?

In summary, the conversation was about finding the normal force of an object and the confusion surrounding Fgy and FN. The correct expression was given and a diagram was referenced to better understand the problem. The original diagram was deleted by the original poster.
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Please do not delete parts of your post after you have received help on schoolwork problems
Homework Statement
what is the acceleration and tension of this system
Coefficient of kinetic friction = 0.5
“” “ static “ = 0.6
Mass1 = 20kg
Mass2= 12kg
Relevant Equations
F= ma
Fg = mg
I am just confused on how to find the normal force/ FN of the first object. My classmates are saying Fgy is the exact same as Fn but I don’t get why

Fgy= Fg sin theta
Fgy= (20)(9.81) (sin35)
Fgy= 112.5

Fgy = FN
 
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Your classmates are wrong. Having said that, your expression is incorrect. Draw a force diagram for m1 and you will see why. Hint: sine = opposite/hypotenuse; cosine = adjacent/hypotenuse.
 
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kuruman said:
Your classmates are wrong. Having said that, your expression is incorrect. Draw a force diagram for m1 and you will see why. Hint: sine = opposite/hypotenuse; cosine = adjacent/hypotenuse.
Ok, thank you
 
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Is there a diagram that goes with this problem?
 
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berkeman said:
Is there a diagram that goes with this problem?
There was, but now it's gone. It showed two masses, m1 on an incline attached to a rope over a pulley to a m2 hanging straight down.
 
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Thanks @kuruman -- I looked in the post history and didn't see a figure. OP must have deleted it after you helped them.
 
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1. Is Fgy the same as FN in a system with two masses and friction?

No, Fgy (the force of gravity) and FN (the normal force) are not the same in a system with two masses and friction. Fgy is the force exerted by gravity on an object, while FN is the force exerted by a surface on an object in the direction perpendicular to the surface.

2. How does friction affect the forces in a system with two masses?

Friction can affect the forces in a system with two masses by reducing the overall force and causing a decrease in acceleration. Friction is a resistive force that opposes motion, so it can counteract the forces exerted by the masses and reduce their overall effect.

3. Can friction be ignored in a system with two masses?

No, friction cannot be ignored in a system with two masses. Friction is a fundamental force that exists in all systems and it can have a significant impact on the forces and motion of objects. Ignoring friction can lead to inaccurate predictions and calculations.

4. How do the masses in a system affect the forces?

The masses in a system can affect the forces by determining the amount of force required to accelerate the objects. According to Newton's Second Law of Motion, the force exerted on an object is directly proportional to its mass and acceleration. Therefore, the more massive an object is, the more force is needed to accelerate it.

5. Is the force of friction always opposite to the direction of motion?

No, the force of friction is not always opposite to the direction of motion. In some cases, such as when an object is sliding down a ramp, the force of friction can act in the same direction as the motion. This is known as kinetic friction and it opposes the motion of the object.

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