Calculating Power Losses in an AC Induction Motor

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of power losses in an AC induction motor, specifically focusing on the parameters and formulas used to determine various losses, nominal slip, nominal speed, and current through the stator line. The scope includes technical calculations and theoretical considerations related to motor efficiency and performance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates various power losses including iron loss, ventilation loss, and rotor Joule loss, providing detailed formulas and results.
  • Another participant questions the nominal slip calculation, suggesting a different approach based on the Steinmetz schematic diagram and providing an alternative value for nominal slip.
  • Some participants note the potential confusion regarding the voltage specification, indicating that 220 V may refer to line-to-neutral voltage rather than line-to-line voltage.
  • Concerns are raised about the precision of the calculations, with suggestions that the number of decimal places used may not be justified given the input values.
  • A later reply proposes that power losses could be extracted from rated stator power and discusses the neglect of certain losses under specific conditions.

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Participants express differing views on the calculation of nominal slip and the interpretation of voltage specifications. There is no consensus on the exact values or methods used, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty in the calculations presented.

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Some calculations depend on assumptions about voltage definitions and the precision of input values. The discussion reflects various interpretations of the formulas and parameters involved in the calculations.

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Readers interested in electrical engineering, specifically those focused on AC induction motors, power loss calculations, and efficiency analysis may find this discussion relevant.

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Homework Statement
Induction Motor calculation
Relevant Equations
$$Psn (stator nominal power) = Pelectrical (electrical input power)$$
$$Psn (stator nominal power) = \frac {Pn} {efficiency}$$
$$sn(nominal slip) = \frac {Ljr} {Pelectromagnetic} $$
$$ Ωn (nominal speed) = Ωs * (1-sn)$$
$$Mn(nominal torque) = \frac {Pn} {Ωn}$$
$$ILs (stator line current) = \frac {Psn} {sqrt(3) * uls * cosφ}$$
Given the AC Induction (asynchronous motor) in 3 phases:
ParameterValue
Pn (Nominal Power) = Pmechanical (output power at the shaft)5 kW = 5000W
uls (Voltage through the stator line)220 V
fstator (stator frequency)50 Hz
p (Number of pole pairs)2
LFe (Iron loss) = Lmechanical (mechanical loss)LFe = Lmechanical 1.5% Pn
Lv (Ventilation loss on the rotor)Lv = 1%*Pn
LJr (Rotor Joule loss) = (2/3) * LJs (Stator Joule loss)#To be calculated below#
η (efficiency of the induction motor)0.9
cosφ (power factor)0.88

Requirements:
a) Power loss calculation, Power loss balance.
b) sn (nominal slip) = ? Ωn (Nominal speed) = ? Mn (nominal torque) = ?
c) ILs (current through the statoric line) = ?

Attempt at a solution:
a) LFe= Lmechanical = $$ \frac {1.5} {100} * 5000 W = 75 W$$
Hence, LFe = Lmechanical = 75W (Iron loss = Mechanical loss = 75W)

Lv = $$ \frac {1} {100} * 5000 W = 50 W$$
Hence Lv = 50W (ventilation loss on the rotor)Psn (stator nominal power) = Pelectrical (electrical input power) = $$\frac {Pn} {0.9} = 5555.5555555555555555555555555556 W$$

i) $$ Ljs + Ljr = Psn - (Pn+Lfe + Lmechanical +Lv) = 5555.555555555555556 W - 5200W$$
$$ Ljs + Ljr = 355.5555555555555555555555555556W $$

ii) $$Ljr = \frac {2} {3} * Ljs$$

from i) and ii)
$$Ljs = 213.33333333333333333333333333336 W $$
$$Ljr = 142.22222222222222222222222222224 W $$

$$ Pelectromagnetic (electromagnetic power) = Psn(input electrical power) - Ljs - LFe $$
$$ Pelectromagnetic= 5555.55555555555555556 W - 213.33333333333333333333336 W - 75W $$
$$ Pelectromagnetic = 5267.2222222222222222222222222222 W$$

$$Ltotal (totalloss) = Ljs+LFe+Ljr+Lmechanical+Lv = 555.5555555555555555556 W$$
$$Ltotal (totalloss) = 555.5555555555555555555555555556 W$$
b) $$sn(nominal slip) = \frac {Ljr} {Pelectromagnetic}$$
$$sn= \frac {142.22222222222222222222222222224 W} {5267.2222222222222222222222222222 W } $$
$$sn(nominal slip) = 0.02700137116337939035966670182471 [-] $$

$$ Ωn (nominal speed) = Ωs * (1-sn)$$

where Ωs is the (synchronization speed)

$$Ωs = \frac {2*π*fstator} {p} = \frac {2*π*50Hz} {2} =157.07963267948966192313216916398 [rad/s] $$
$$Ωn (nominal speed) = 157.079632679489661923132 [rad/s] * (1-0.027001371163379390359)$$
$$Ωn = 152.838267215303462845785704096[rad/s]$$

$$ns (syncrhonization speed) [rpm] = \frac {60*fstator} {2} = 1500 [rpm]$$
$$nn (nominal speed) [rpm] = ns*(1-sn) = 1500 [rpm] * (1-0.02700137116337939035966670)$$
$$nn (nominal speed) [rpm] = 1459.4979432549309144604999472629 [rpm] $$

$$Mn(nominal torque) = \frac {Pn} {Ωn} = \frac {5000W} {152.83826721530346284578570409637 [rad/s]}$$
$$Mn(nominal torque) = 32.714320118249532323572617030565 [Nm] $$

c) $$Psn (electrical power input) = sqrt(3) * uls * ILs * cosφ$$
Hence
The current through the stator line:

$$ILs = \frac {Psn} {sqrt(3) * uls * cosφ} = \frac {5555.5555555555555555555555555556 W} {sqrt(3) * 220V * 0.88}$$
$$ILs = 16.567673013935541910845637640667 [A]$$

I would be more than grateful if someone can confirm these calculations.
Many thanks!
 
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Your calculation, it seems to me, is o.k. I have only the following remark:
If according to Steinmetz schematic diagram of an induction motor Rr*(1-sn)/sn*Ir^2=Pn then Rr*Ir^2=Ljr=sn*(Pn+Ljr) and sn=Ljr/(Pn+Ljr)
Now if Pinput-Ljs=Pn+Ljr then sn is o.k. However, Pinput=Pn/0.9=5555.56 and Ljs=213.33 then Pinput-Ljs=5342.2 and Pn+Ljr=5000+142.2=5142.2 W .In this case sn=0.02766.
 

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Usually, in IEC World, 220 V it is the line-to-neutral voltage and the line-to-line is 380 V [now according to IEC std 60038 has to be 400/231 V]
 
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It is pretty hard to justify so many decimal places when the input values are not nearly so precisely given.
 
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Babadag said:
Your calculation, it seems to me, is o.k. I have only the following remark:
If according to Steinmetz schematic diagram of an induction motor Rr*(1-sn)/sn*Ir^2=Pn then Rr*Ir^2=Ljr=sn*(Pn+Ljr) and sn=Ljr/(Pn+Ljr)
Now if Pinput-Ljs=Pn+Ljr then sn is o.k. However, Pinput=Pn/0.9=5555.56 and Ljs=213.33 then Pinput-Ljs=5342.2 and Pn+Ljr=5000+142.2=5142.2 W .In this case sn=0.02766.
Thanks for the reply it's much appreciated.
I was told $$\frac {Ljr} {Ljs} = \frac {2} {3}$$
I was just given the following formula:
$$sn = \frac {Ljr} {Pelectromagnetic} $$
where sn = nominal slip, Ljr = 142.2222 W and Pelectromagnetic = Psn - Ljs - LFe = 5555.5555W - 213.3333W - 75W = 5267.2217 W

Hence I get sn (nominal slip) = 0.02700
I don't get where I am comitting the mistake.
 
Babadag said:
Usually, in IEC World, 220 V it is the line-to-neutral voltage and the line-to-line is 380 V [now according to IEC std 60038 has to be 400/231 V]
Yes, indeed, I was told that, but asked to use the stator line voltage at 220V and frequency at 50 Hz, but I get what you mean, that's right.
 
Dr.D said:
It is pretty hard to justify so many decimal places when the input values are not nearly so precisely given.
Indeed, though the result won't change by a lot, even if I trim down the decimals.
 
By-the -way, in my opinion the power losses Lfe and Ljs may be extracted from rated stator power and ventilation and friction [mechanical losses] from Pgap [then Pgap=Lv+Lmech+Pn+Ljr] neglecting Lfe for rotor where the frequence is very low [sn*fstator] and the iron losses depend on B[magnetic flux density] and frotor.
 
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