Calculating Power Output of Rotating Object with Mass M, Radius R, and Speed V

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The discussion revolves around calculating the power output of a rotating object with mass M, radius R, and speed V. The original poster presents a scenario involving a mass of 60 kg, a radius of 5 meters, and a speed of 10 meters per second, seeking assistance with the relevant formulas and unit conversions.

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  • Participants discuss the need to determine the moment of inertia and rotational energy, referencing the Huygens-Steiner theorem. Questions arise regarding the calculation of the moment of inertia for the given mass and radius, as well as the conversion of energy into power in watts.

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Participants are actively exploring the relationships between rotational energy, moment of inertia, and angular velocity. Some have provided guidance on using specific formulas, while others express confusion about the relevance of certain variables and the units involved. The conversation indicates a collaborative effort to clarify concepts without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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There is an emphasis on 100% efficiency in the power generation process, and participants note the absence of a time variable in the power calculation, which is crucial for determining wattage. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity on the definitions and assumptions being used.

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An object with a mass M is rotating around an axis, with an arm of radius R at a certain speed V.
Assuming that the movement is constant, and a 100% efficiency, how many watt of electrical power can this device generate ?

For example purpose, we can take M=60 kg, R=5 meters and V=10 meters per second.

I can't find all the formulas and am lost with the units.

Thanks a lot
 
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Maybe the first thing could be to figure out the rotational energy of the device. First you need the moment of inertia, which you need to do with the mass, the radius and the Huygens-Steiner theorem (also known as Parallel Axis theorem).

Once you figured that out (I leave it to you to find the formulas with this hints, I just found that you should be able to do that), you can calculate the angular velocity, this time you need the given radius and the given velocity. Insert into the formula for E_{rot}, calculate it and then we can talk again :).
 
Huygens-Steiner theorem:
I parallele(moment of inertia) = I(cm) + MR²

Then, K (the rotational energy) is
K = 1/2 * I parallele * V²
So, K = 1/2 * (Icm + MR²) * V²

So remaining questions are:
1. how do you get Icm ?
2. As an energy K should be in Joule, which is a watt.second. I need a result is watt only.

If Icm is indeed equal to 0, we would then have
K = 1/2 * 60 * 5² * 10²
K = 75000 Joule ??

Thank you Lunar Lander
 
Hanababa said:
If Icm is indeed equal to 0, we would then have
K = 1/2 * 60 * 5² * 10²
K = 75000 Joule ??

You are on the right track, but you miss that you can't use v directly. You have to use the angular velocity, which is \omega=\frac{v}{r}.

In this case here you have this mass rotating around an axis at the distance r=5 m. For this case (a mass rotating around an axis), the HS-theorem reduces to I=M \cdot R^{2}.
 
Right,
so K = 1/2 * M * R² * (w)² with w = V/R
K = 1/2 * M * R² * (V/R)²
K = 1/2 * 60 * 5² * (10/5)²
K = 3000 Joule ??

It must be wrong because on the above formula, we see that the R² are cancelling themselves, which would mean that R is not relevant, cannot be. Sorry, I am a bit lost..
 
Your value is correct, as the unit of omega is sec-1. Thus there are no R2 which cancel each other.

So you now arrived at the energy. The equation for getting the power of an electric generator is Pel=Pmech-Ploss. The last one is zero, as you gave 100% efficiency. The electrical power thus should be equal to the power required to spin up the mass. However, there normally should be a time given, as the power is equal to the energy pro unit time. I think someone else needs to pick up here...

But you are welcome Hanababa! :)
 
Thanks again,
does it mean that if the device is operating for 1 year, so the value W in watt would be
K = W * 365*24*3600
K = W * 31536000

So, about 31,5 Megawatt of electrical production per year ?
 

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