Calculating pressure release time

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This discussion focuses on calculating the pressure release time for a pressure vessel containing supercritical CO2 (scCO2) at 20MPa and 33°C. The primary concern is modeling the pressure drop to equilibrium and understanding the implications of using a gas instead of a liquid in flow calculations. Key insights include the necessity of a complete pressure-driven model that incorporates enthalpy and mass balances, as well as the limitations of using Cv values for precise gas flow applications. For accurate assessments, flow orifices with certified flow coefficients and classic gas law equations should be utilized.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of gas dynamics and flow equations
  • Familiarity with Cv (flow coefficient) and its applications
  • Knowledge of thermodynamics, particularly enthalpy and mass balance
  • Experience with polytropic processes in gas storage and transfer
NEXT STEPS
  • Research the principles of gas flow calculations using classic gas law equations
  • Study the implications of polytropic processes in gas release scenarios
  • Explore the concept of blowdown in gas systems, referencing "BLOWDOWN) ]Haque et al. 1992b]"
  • Investigate the use of certified flow coefficients for gas flow applications
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Engineers, process designers, and researchers involved in gas storage, transfer systems, and pressure vessel operations will benefit from this discussion.

Tyler Bennett
Hey people,

I have a pressure vessel pressurized to say 20MPa at 33C, of which I'm working with a gas (scCO2 to be exact) which will then be released into the atmosphere (standard pressure and temperature) through a release valve; I'm wondering how long it will take for the pressure to reach equilibrium? I'm assuming it'll be some sort of exponential decrease and hoping to model it to figure out how long it takes to reach 70/80/90% of pressure drop.

I'm working on getting the Cv for the release valve. My main issue is wondering how the conditions change because I'm using a gas instead of a liquid? For example, the valve says it can reach a maximum flow rate of 24ml/min. This makes sense when working with a liquid at standard pressure, but how does that change if I'm working with a gas? More precisely how does that change if the pressure differential between vessel and atmosphere is 2x, 5x, 10x, 20x?
 
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While it does not address all elements of your problem, see the below for the basic equations for calculating gas flow relative to Cv.

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Pleasant units indeed, my dear JBA :rolleyes: !

The thing to do is make a complete pressure driven model: enthalpy balance, mass balance, physical properties, the lot. Not trivial at all.

What provides the heat to do the expansion work ? Or is this adiabatic and you let it freeze up ?
 
Cv is a coefficient used by manufacturers of commodity valves for basic industrial applications and not appropriate for precise gas flow applications; nor, is the sizing of such valves. Unfortunately, I have been unable to identify any available more precise conversion than that I offered for the use of Cv values. At the same time, it is rare for more precise measurements to be needed for the general industrial applications of these valves.

For precise applications flow orifices with certified flow coefficients, specific gas properties and classic gas law equations should be used. In reality, essentially all applications related to gas storage transfers are polytropic and must be treated as such to be fully accurate; which, as stated, is no trivial process.
 
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@Tyler Bennett, to get a sense of the issues facing your calculation Google "BLOWDOWN) ]Haque et al. 1992b]" for a pdf copy of this paper and take a look at Imperial College I7 Case - N2-Co2 mixture blowdown test case on pgs 6-7
 
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