Calculating Probability of Even Numbers with Loaded Die

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The problem involves calculating the probability of rolling an even number with a loaded die, where the number 1 is three times as likely to appear compared to the other numbers (2 through 6), which are equally likely. Participants are exploring how to determine the probabilities of each outcome based on the given conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the probabilities of different outcomes, particularly how the probability of rolling a 1 relates to the probabilities of rolling 2 through 6. There are attempts to express the total probability and clarify the setup of the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants attempting to clarify the relationships between the probabilities while others express confusion about the calculations and the underlying assumptions. There is no explicit consensus, but guidance has been offered regarding how to set up the equations based on the problem's conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of the loaded die's probabilities and how they sum to 1. There is a noted lack of clarity regarding the interpretation of the probabilities, particularly concerning the relationship between P(1) and the other outcomes.

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Homework Statement


A die is loaded so that the numbers 2 through 6 are equally likely to appear but that 1 is 3 times as likely as any other number to appear. What is the probability of getting an even number?

Homework Equations



This is where I become lost - I'm not sure how to get the outcome.

The Attempt at a Solution



P(2) + P(4) + P(6) = 1/8 + 1/8 + 1/8 = I think the answer is 3/8 but can't tell you how I got that. I don't understand the P(1) + P(2) + P(3) thing. Could someone help me to understand this?
 
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What P(1)+P(2)+P(3) thing?

You know that there are 6 outcomes

P(2)=P(3)=..=P(6), P(1)=3P(2), and P(1)+P(2)+..P(6)=1.

So from this you can find P(2), and hence P(2 or 4 or 6)=P(2)+P(4)+P(6).
 
matt grime said:
What P(1)+P(2)+P(3) thing?

You know that there are 6 outcomes

P(2)=P(3)=..=P(6), P(1)=3P(2), and P(1)+P(2)+..P(6)=1.

So from this you can find P(2), and hence P(2 or 4 or 6)=P(2)+P(4)+P(6).

That's just it - I don't understand this. I guess I see where P(2)*P(3) = P(6) but where I get lost is P(1)=3P(2), and P(1)+P(2)+..P(6)=1.
 
Load a die and die cast yourself.
 
jermanie said:
Load a die and die cast yourself.

Geez - thanks for the great input there! Some of us aren't math wizz's.
 
jermanie said:
Load a die and die cast yourself.
The montecarlo method!

Bucs44 said:
That's just it - I don't understand this. I guess I see where P(2)*P(3) = P(6) but where I get lost is P(1)=3P(2), and P(1)+P(2)+..P(6)=1.
You "see" the one part I don't see, and are lost on the easy ones!

The problem says "1 is 3 times as likely as any other number to appear". If the probability a 2 will occur is P(2) and 1 is "3 times more likely", then P(1)= 3P(1). And, of course, since some number must occur the probability some number must occur is 1. That is, the sum of all the individual probabilities is 1. That's generally true for any probability distribution- the sum of probabilities of all "elementary" events is 1.

If you let p be the common probability of 2- 6, P(2)= P(3)= P(4)= P5)= P6) and P1)= 3p so you must have 3p+ p+ p+ p+ p+ p= 1. Solve that for p and the rest is easy.

But what in the world makes you think that P(2)*P(3)= P(6)? They are not, P(2)= P(3)= P(6). Are you thinking that 2*3= 6? That has nothing to do with probabilities.
 
So P(2) + P(4) + P(6) = 1/8 + 1/8 + 1/8?
 

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