Calculating Rate of Change for Cones: Homework Help

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The discussion revolves around calculating the rate of change of water depth in a hollow cone with a semi-vertical angle of 60 degrees, as water drips into it at a rate of 4 cm³/min. Participants are examining the relationships between the volume of the cone, the radius, and the height of the water.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to derive the relationship between the volume of the cone and the height of the water, questioning how to properly substitute the radius in terms of height. There are discussions about the derivatives involved and the implications of the given rates.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, suggesting that the original poster needs to consider the relationship between the radius and height more carefully. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the calculations leading to the rate of change of height.

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Participants have noted the inconvenience of external links for sharing problems and solutions, indicating a preference for direct posting of the problem and work within the thread. There is also mention of a specific numerical answer that appears to differ from the calculations presented.

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jsmith613 said:

Homework Statement



I have attached a link along with my working
please can someone help me

http://s359.photobucket.com/albums/oo40/jsmith613/?action=view&current=Math.png

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


Please post the problem and your work here. IMO, it's a pain in the butt to have to open a web page to see the problem and the work, plus I can't insert a comment at the appropriate place where there's an error.
 
Mark44 said:
Please post the problem and your work here. IMO, it's a pain in the butt to have to open a web page to see the problem and the work, plus I can't insert a comment at the appropriate place where there's an error.
dv/dt = 4 cm3 min-1

tan(60) = r/hr = √3* hV = (1/3) π r2h
dv/dh = (1/3) π r2

dh/dt = (dh/dv) * (dv/dt)= 1/(1/3) π r2 * 4

= 12/(pi r2)

for h = 4

dh/dt = 0.079577

The answer given is 0.0265 cm/min. why?

I don't know how do use latex - see post for a clearer solution if you get lost!
 
question was:A hollow cone with a semi-vertical angle of 60 degrees is held vertex down with its axis vertical.
Water drips into the cone at 4 cm3/min
Find the rate at which the depth of water is increasing when the water is 4 cm deep
 
jsmith613 said:
dv/dt = 4 cm3 min-1

tan(60) = r/h


r = √3* h


V = (1/3) π r2h



dv/dh = (1/3) π r2
You're ignoring the relationship between r and h.

Substitute for r in your volume equation. Then you'll have V purely as a function of h.
What you have is not correct, because V is a function of r and h.
jsmith613 said:
dh/dt = (dh/dv) * (dv/dt)


= 1/(1/3) π r2 * 4

= 12/(pi r2)

for h = 4

dh/dt = 0.079577

The answer given is 0.0265 cm/min. why?

I don't know how do use latex - see post for a clearer solution if you get lost!
 

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