Calculating resistances via a potentiometer

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The discussion revolves around calculating an unknown resistance (X) using a potentiometer, with balance points of 58.3 cm for a known resistor (R = 10 ohms) and 68.5 cm for X. The user struggles with the equations derived from the circuit, particularly the relationship between potential differences (E1 and E2) when different resistances are connected. There is confusion about the equality of these potential differences, leading to the conclusion that the voltage source may not be ideal. Participants suggest that clearer problem phrasing and careful consideration of circuit details could lead to better understanding and solutions. The conversation highlights the importance of precision in both circuit analysis and communication.
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Homework Statement


Figure shows a potentiometer circuit for comparison of two resistances , the balance point with standard resistor R = 10 ohm , is found to be 58.3 , while that with unknown resistance X is 68.5 cm , determine the value of X .
b) what might you do if you failed to find the balance point with the given cell end e?
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Homework Equations


R/X = L1/L2
K = potential gradient across AB
I1 = current when R is connected
I2 = current when X is connected
3.attempt at a solution
I understand that the potential difference across AP = EF
I.e. k×58.3= I1 × R , where I is the current when R is connected to circuit
And I1×R = E - (2)
Also when X is connected and R is removed ,
k× 68.5 = I2 × X
Also I2 × X = E ... - (1)
But then that means that from 1 and 2 , k × 58.3 = k× 68.5 ? That's obviously wrong!
I don't get it ... I guess somehow I1 × R = E1 and I2× X = E2 with E1 is not equal to E2... If I do that answer comes rightly ...
But shouldn't E1 = E2 as ,
potential difference across EF = potential difference across LM = E always ??

Thank you!
 

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Shivang kohlii said:
from 1 and 2 , k × 58.3 = k× 68.5 ? That's obviously wrong!
Pity you use E in the picture and in the equations -- with different meaning.
Only possible conclusion, my dear Watson, is that E in case of I1 is not equal to the E in case I2. In other words: ##\varepsilon## doesn't come from an ideal voltage source.
Shivang kohlii said:
But shouldn't E1 = E2 as ,
potential difference across EF = potential difference across LM = E always ??
Apparently not !
 
BvU said:
Pity you use E in the picture and in the equations -- with different meaning.
Only possible conclusion, my dear Watson, is that E in case of I1 is not equal to the E in case I2. In other words: ##\varepsilon## doesn't come from an ideal voltage source.
Apparently not !
I didn't ask for your pity mister , only solution.. also don't presume I didn't consider the non ideal voltage source with some internal resistance , I didn't add it to my answer as the question doesn't mention any internal resistance .. which is odd for the 12th level book!
 
Shivang kohlii said:
I didn't ask for your pity mister
I didn't offer it, on the contrary: it was an ironic reproach, intended to gently steer you in a direction that avoids future errors caused by this kind of sloppiness.

What I offered was the only explanation I could come up with. I have seen this circuit before in PF, you're welcome to search for it.
12th level sounds like a computer game. Guess it's an age indication in your culture, like around 18 ?
 
Sorry, you have to be using that textbook. The schematic given is non-standard (according to what I'm used to, anyway) and vague when combined with the problem statement. For example, what currents are being measured? "unknown resistance X is 68.5 cm" requires further explanation, I don't know what this means.
Problem solutions are frequently an exercise in describing the question carefully so that the answer becomes more readily apparent. I would suggest redrawing/rephrasing this more carefully either for your own understanding, or for ours. You will get better assistance that way.
 
The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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