Calculating Rotational Force for a 5000kg Suspended Load

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force required to rotate a 5000kg suspended load by 90 degrees, under the assumption of perfect bearings and neglecting friction. Participants explore the implications of these assumptions and share related experiences and insights.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that any amount of force will initiate rotation, assuming no resistance due to friction.
  • Others argue that while a small force may start the rotation, the context of moving the load within a specific timeframe introduces additional considerations.
  • A participant shares an anecdote about a large globe at a museum, illustrating how reduced friction allows for easier rotation, although it is not a perfect bearing scenario.
  • Some participants emphasize that in practical situations, factors like friction and gravitational resistance must be accounted for when calculating the force needed to rotate the load.
  • There is a mention of using a foot-pounds torque wrench as a potential tool for measuring the force applied.
  • Participants discuss the theoretical scenario of an object in space, where minimal force would be needed to achieve rotation, contrasting it with real-world conditions on Earth.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that in a frictionless scenario, any force could initiate rotation. However, there is disagreement regarding the implications of real-world conditions, such as friction and gravitational effects, which complicate the calculations and practical applications.

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The discussion highlights the assumptions of perfect bearings and neglect of friction, which may not reflect practical scenarios. The varying interpretations of how these factors influence the required force contribute to the complexity of the topic.

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can someone help me?..

i have 5000kg suspended load..how do i calculate the force needed to rotate this load 90 deg. assuming perfect bearing?..thanks
 
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Any amount of force. Once it starts rotating it will not stop assuming perfect bearing. I wish I had a perfect bearing.
 
LostConjugate said:
I wish I had a perfect bearing.
Go to deportment classes then. lol
 
im just saying friction is neglected..thanks
 
I was recently at a museum in Virginia that had a large stone globe in front of the building, I would estimate that it was 2 1/2 meters in diameter. The surface was very smooth and it was supported on a circular base. Water was forced up through the base which raised the globe slightly so that is was in physical contact with only water and air. While this in not a perfect bearing, it was a very good one. I could rotate the globe in any direction I wanted with 1 finger. The limiting factor for how fast I could accelerate the globe was not the strength of my finger but the lack of friction between my finger and the smooth, wet stone. Really I was only using about 1/4 of the strength of 1 finger. I inquired about the mass of the globe and was told that it weighs about 29 tons.

Here's a link to the museums website...
http://www.smv.org/exhibits.html
One of the photo's is of the globe I am describing.
 
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rahim said:
im just saying friction is neglected..thanks

Any amount of force will eventually rotate it to 90 degrees. Similar to an object in space, the load will continue to move after any force is applied to it and then stopped. If you want to move it to 90 degrees in a specific timeframe, then that is different.
 
being an automotive technician, I would use an foot pounds torque wrench.
 
dyce said:
being an automotive technician, I would use an foot pounds torque wrench.

The OP is asking the question and telling us that there is no friction or anything, it is just a suspended load. ANY force will move it to 90 degrees as long as there is no resistance to the motion. In reality we would have to take friction and other effects into account.
 
Drakkith said:
The OP is asking the question and telling us that there is no friction or anything, it is just a suspended load. ANY force will move it to 90 degrees as long as there is no resistance to the motion. In reality we would have to take friction and other effects into account.

it would need to be falling or floating in space in order to get it to rotate with almost 0 force. but floating in water would be "close" to 0 friction. this is if it is a smooth object. so yea youre right. but to get it to rotate under strength of Earth's gravity pulling on it, there would always be resistance.
 
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dyce said:
it would need to be falling or floating in space in order to get it to rotate with almost 0 force. but floating in water would be "close" to 0 friction. this is if it is a smooth object. so yea youre right. but to get it to rotate under strength of Earth's gravity pulling on it, there would always be resistance.

Which is why we were all talking about a situation with no resistance!:-p
 

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