Calculating Speed and Tension in a Two-Block System

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The problem involves a two-block system where Block A is on a tabletop and Block B is hanging, connected by a cord over a pulley. The objective is to calculate the speed of each block after moving a certain distance and the tension in the cord, considering the effects of friction.

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on each block, including gravitational force, normal force, and friction. There are attempts to apply Newton's second law but confusion arises regarding the role of tension and how to combine the forces correctly.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the need to incorporate tension into the equations of motion. There is recognition of misunderstandings regarding the addition of forces and the application of acceleration in the calculations. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, and some participants express uncertainty about how to proceed.

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Participants are grappling with the correct application of forces and the setup of equations, with some indicating a lack of clarity on how to integrate the tension into their calculations. There is also mention of conflicting information from a textbook regarding the expected tension value.

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Homework Statement


Block A (mass 2.25 kg) rests on a tabletop. It is connected by a horizontal cord passing over a frictionless pulley to a hanging block B (mass 1.30 kg.) The coefficient of kinetic friction between block A and the table is 0.450. After the blocks are released from rest, find a. the speed of each block after moving 3.00 cm and b. the tension of the cord.


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The Attempt at a Solution


Block A:
Fgravity: (2.25kg)(9.8m/s2) = 22.05N
Fnormal: 22.05N
Ffriction: (22.05N)(0.450) = 9.92N
Resultant force: 22.05N - 9.92N = 12.13N

Block B:
Fgravity: (1.30kg)(9.8m/s2) = 12.74N

I have no idea what to do after this. I found the exact same problem through a search but I don't understand the explanation.
 
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Hi cdotter! :smile:
cdotter said:
Block A:

Fnormal: 22.05N
Ffriction: (22.05N)(0.450) = 9.92N
Resultant force: 22.05N - 9.92N = 12.13N

Sorry, but this is completely wrong :redface:

you haven't used the tension, T, at all;

and the 22.05 and the 9.92 are perpendicular, so you can't add (or subtract) them anyway.

Try again. :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi cdotter! :smile:


Sorry, but this is completely wrong :redface:

you haven't used the tension, T, at all;

and the 22.05 and the 9.92 are perpendicular, so you can't add (or subtract) them anyway.

Try again. :smile:

I now understand that the forces are perpendicular and that I can't subtract them, but how are my normal force and frictional force calculations incorrect?
 
Your normal force and frictional force were correct, but your "resultant force" equation was completely wrong.

Try again, using T. :smile:
 
Block B pulls down with 12.74N of force. Block A has a frictional force of 9.92N. Shouldn't the tension then be 12.74N+9.92N = 22.66N? My book says it's 11.7N. I have absolutely no idea where 11.7N comes from.
 
cdotter said:
Block B pulls down with 12.74N of force. Block A has a frictional force of 9.92N. Shouldn't the tension then be 12.74N+9.92N = 22.66N?

No, everything is accelerating, and you've left "a" out of your F = ma. :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
No, everything is accelerating, and you've left "a" out of your F = ma. :wink:

Oh, but I don't understand how to put what I have into the equation? :confused:

Block A: [itex]F_{fric}-T_{rope}=ma[/itex]
Block B: [itex]F_{gravity}-T_{rope}=ma[/itex]

Right?

edit: I guess not. I'm so lost haha.
 
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cdotter said:
Oh, but I don't understand how to put what I have into the equation? :confused:

Start with the lower block …

there are only two forces on it, and their total has to equal its mass times its acceleration. :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
Start with the lower block …

there are only two forces on it, and their total has to equal its mass times its acceleration. :smile:

Could you show me what you mean because I have absolutely no idea what to do. It has two forces acting on it: weight pulling down and the tension of the rope pulling up. I don't know how to calculate those or put them into the equation.
 
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I figured it out by reading another post, thank you for the hints tiny-tim.
 

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