Calculating Surface Strength for Aluminum Foil and Other Materials"

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the surface strength of materials, specifically aluminum foil, and seeks a general formula applicable to various materials. Participants explore concepts related to pressure exerted on flat surfaces and the conditions under which materials fail.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the applicability of Barlow's formula for flat surfaces, suggesting a need for a different approach to calculate surface strength under localized pressure.
  • Another participant proposes that the inquiry may relate to contact stress, indicating that material strength is a property that needs to be defined.
  • There is a query about whether the discussion applies to fluid pressure, such as that from a water jet or air pressure.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the definition of surface strength, specifically asking how much pressure a material can withstand before failure.
  • One participant introduces the concept of a burst disk, inquiring if there is a formula to calculate the pressure required to open such a device, noting that the material and dimensions are not predetermined.
  • There is an acknowledgment of previous unclear communication regarding the initial question about surface strength.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the appropriate formulas and definitions related to surface strength and pressure application. Multiple competing views and questions remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the definitions or formulas applicable to the surface strength of materials under different conditions, and there are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of the pressures being discussed.

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What I'm trying to do is determine the surface strength of a material. I'm not sure if Barlow's formula would apply, as it's not a tube, but rather a flat surface. The pressure will be exerted on a particular spot on the flat surface. How can I calculate this?

For the record, I'm asking about aluminum foil, but I would like to know a general formula, if you will, for different materials.

Thanks in advance
 
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Hubb said:
What I'm trying to do is determine the surface strength of a material. I'm not sure if Barlow's formula would apply, as it's not a tube, but rather a flat surface. The pressure will be exerted on a particular spot on the flat surface. How can I calculate this?

For the record, I'm asking about aluminum foil, but I would like to know a general formula, if you will, for different materials.

Thanks in advance

I presume you're looking for the contact stress. The strength of the material is a material property.

http://www.ecs.umass.edu/mie/labs/mda/dlib/ref/contact.html

CS
 
Would this apply to pressure as well, instead of another object pushing on the material?
 
Hubb said:
Would this apply to pressure as well, instead of another object pushing on the material?

As in fluid pressure like a water jet?

CS
 
As in air pressure
 
Hubb said:
As in air pressure

Define what you mean by surface strength.

CS
 
How much pressure will it be able to take before it is broken.

Have you ever heard of a burst disk? This is a "valve" that will open at a certain amount of pressure. I'm trying to determine if there is any formula for calculating the pressure needed to open a burst disk. The material is not set, and neither is the diameter of the burst disk surface (which would be the surface I am trying to determine the strength of).

I've been searching and trying to figure this out for a while now, but everything I come across, just leads to a dead end.

I, sir, do apologize. I should have been more clear earlier.
 

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