Calculating (t1-t2): Three Bright Fringes on Inclined Glass Plates

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The problem involves calculating the difference in thickness (t1-t2) between two inclined glass plates, where monochromatic light creates interference fringes. The setup includes three bright fringes observed between the two points defined by t1 and t2, with a specified fringe spacing.

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  • Participants discuss the ambiguity in defining t1 and t2, questioning whether these points refer to the outer fringes or the centers of dark bands. There are attempts to clarify the interpretation of "three fringes apart" and how it relates to the air gap thickness.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem statement. Some have proposed assumptions to simplify the analysis, while others seek further clarification on the definitions and implications of the terms used in the problem.

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There is a noted ambiguity in the problem statement regarding the exact meaning of "three fringes apart," which affects the understanding of t1 and t2. Participants are encouraged to provide the complete wording of the question for better clarity.

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Homework Statement


One glass plate sits flat and another is above it inclined on an angle(shown on diagram provided). monochromatic λ light shines on it. The fringes are spaced p apart, and the bottom plate is length d.
Between t1 and t2 there are three bright fringes.

What is (t1-t2) ?

Homework Equations



m\lambda_o=2n_f t\cos\theta_t+\frac{\lambda_o}{2}

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not sure if what I did is valid because when I modeled it I did not take into account the glass plate on the bottom moving up to where I modeled it. Also this does not take into account the given distance between the fringes, p, explicitly which is another reason to why I think my solution may be incorrect.

m\lambda_o=2n_f t\cos\theta_t+\frac{\lambda_o}{2}
plug in 3 for the m fringes, also use t=t1-t2 for the heights of the plates. approximate theta as 0

3\lambda_o=2n_f (t_1-t_2)+\frac{\lambda_o}{2}\\<br /> <br /> \frac{1}{2n_f}[3\lambda_o-\frac{\lambda_o}{2}]= (t_1-t_2)

I'm pretty sure this is incorrect but do not know how else to attack the problem.

Any help would be much appreciated.
 

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Eats Dirt said:
Between t1 and t2 there are three bright fringes.
That's not a very precise definition of t1 and t2. Are those the positions of the outer two of the three bright fringes, or of the centres of the dark bands beyond them?
 
haruspex said:
That's not a very precise definition of t1 and t2. Are those the positions of the outer two of the three bright fringes, or of the centres of the dark bands beyond them?


the question says "three fringes apart".
 
Eats Dirt said:
the question says "three fringes apart".
It says what are three fringes apart? t1 and t2 are two points three fringes apart? Two fringes? Two dark bands? Please provide the whole text, as is.
 
Assuming that t1 and t2 are the air gap thicknesses at the two points that are 3 fringes apart, the correct answer is 3λ/2
 
mmmendon said:
Assuming that t1 and t2 are the air gap thicknesses at the two points that are 3 fringes apart, the correct answer is 3λ/2

Do you mind elaborating on the method you used?
 
mmmendon said:
Assuming that t1 and t2 are the air gap thicknesses at the two points that are 3 fringes apart, the correct answer is 3λ/2
Please read the Forum guidelines. The idea is to nudge students, as gently as practicable, towards finding the answers for themselves.
Anyway, I'm still not sure what is meant by "two points that are 3 fringes apart". Do you mean, e.g., that there is a fringe at each and two more fringes between them? Eats Dirt, please post the exact and complete wording.
 
haruspex said:
Anyway, I'm still not sure what is meant by "two points that are 3 fringes apart" ... Eats Dirt, please post the exact and complete wording.

It literally says the space between the two points is "3 fringes apart from top view" ... It is very ambiguous...

Perhaps, until I can clarify, just assume that the two points are 2p apart to allow three fringes, one at 0 one at p and one at 2p.
 
Eats Dirt said:
It literally says the space between the two points is "3 fringes apart from top view" ... It is very ambiguous...

Perhaps, until I can clarify, just assume that the two points are 2p apart to allow three fringes, one at 0 one at p and one at 2p.
OK.
Where there is a bright fringe, what can you say about the separation of the two plates at that point in terms of λ?
 
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haruspex said:
OK.
Where there is a bright fringe, what can you say about the separation of the two plates at that point in terms of λ?

You can say that there is a maxima, so it corresponds to to a point of 2d=mλ, where m is the fringe number and d is the separation between the two plates?
 
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If my above statement is correct then it would follow that <br /> 2d=m\lambda\\<br /> 2t_2=m\lambda\\<br /> 2t_1=(m+2)\lambda\\<br /> 2(t_1-t_2)=(m+2)\lambda-m\lambda\\<br /> (t_1-t_2)=\lambda<br />
 
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Eats Dirt said:
If my above statement is correct then it would follow that <br /> 2d=m\lambda\\<br /> 2t_2=m\lambda\\<br /> 2t_1=(m+2)\lambda\\<br /> 2(t_1-t_2)=(m+2)\lambda-m\lambda\\<br /> (t_1-t_2)=\lambda<br />
Yes, and that's consistent with mmmendon's answer since that was based on two intervening fringes instead of one
 
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