Calculating the Binding Energy of 12C

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The binding energy of carbon-12 (12C) can be calculated using the mass defect formula, which considers the mass of nucleons (protons and neutrons) in the nucleus. Electrons are not included in the binding energy calculation when focusing solely on the nucleus, as they do not contribute to the nuclear binding energy. The distinction between calculating the binding energy of the nucleus versus the entire atom is crucial, as it determines whether electrons are factored in. Clarification on whether the question pertains to the nucleus or the atom is necessary to accurately perform the calculation. Understanding this context is essential for determining the correct approach to the binding energy calculation.
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Homework Statement



What is the binding energy of 12C ? (the 12 is meant to be the nucleon number of C)

Homework Equations



E=mc^2

The Attempt at a Solution



I am not sure how to calculate the mass defect. Do i take into consideration of the protons, electrons and neutrons?
 
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Binding energy= (mass of the total no of protons and the nucleus - mass of the atom itself)/c^2.
 
Swap said:
Binding energy= (mass of the total no of protons and the nucleus - mass of the atom itself)/c^2.

Thanks but why is electrons not involved here?
 
thereddevils said:
Thanks but why is electrons not involved here?
It depends on whether the question is referring to the atom or nucleus.
The binding energy of a nucleus would just involve the nucleons, whereas the binding energy of the atom would involve the electrons as well.
 
Fightfish said:
It depends on whether the question is referring to the atom or nucleus.
The binding energy of a nucleus would just involve the nucleons, whereas the binding energy of the atom would involve the electrons as well.

thanks and in this case, how do i know if the question is referring to the carbon nucleus or the carbon atoms?
 
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