Calculating the diameter of a bubble

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The discussion revolves around calculating the diameter of a soap bubble given specific conditions, including temperature and pressure increase. Participants explore the relationship between surface tension and temperature, as well as the applicability of certain formulas in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to determine the coefficient of surface tension (Y) at 80°C, noting that it changes with temperature.
  • Another participant clarifies that in the formula ΔP=4T/R, T refers to surface tension, not temperature, and mentions its application to double surface bubbles.
  • Questions arise regarding whether the surface tension formula is applicable to soap solutions, with some participants suggesting that differences in critical temperature might be relevant.
  • There is a suggestion to use the given data point for soap solutions to estimate critical temperature, although one participant notes this approach is speculative and lacks confirmation from reliable sources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the applicability of the formulas discussed, particularly regarding the differences between water and soap solutions. Multiple competing views remain regarding how to approach the problem of calculating the coefficient of surface tension.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of how surface tension varies with temperature and the lack of definitive formulas for soap solutions compared to water.

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Homework Statement


Suppose the temperature is 80℃ and we have a soap bubble that has a pressure increase of 40 [Pa]. What is the diameter of the bubble?

Homework Equations


ΔP=4Y/R

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm very confused about how to find the coefficient of surface tension (Y).
In an example my professor gave us in class he gave us Y(20°C)= 0.0728 N/m. So I'm guessing the coefficient changes with temperature? How would I calculate Y(80°C)? Is there a formula I'm missing?

Also I saw a different version of the above formula where they had ΔP=4T/R. Under what condition would you be able to just neglect the coefficient of surface tension and plug the temperature straight in? Or maybe is that formula completely incorrect? Thanks!
 
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Ok! That makes more sense. So how do you find the coefficient of surface tension?
 
jdawg said:
Ok! That makes more sense. So how do you find the coefficient of surface tension?
Did you try the link I posted?
 
Does that formula only work for water though? Is there a formula like that for soap?
 
jdawg said:
Does that formula only work for water though? Is there a formula like that for soap?
What if you assume that the difference between water and a soap solution is due to a difference in the critical temperature?
 
Then you could use that formula?
 
jdawg said:
Then you could use that formula?
Yes. You could use the given datapoint for the soap solution and the formula to estimate the critical temperature for that soap solution. Then you could find the water temperature that should have the same coefficient as the soap solution at 80C.
Mind you, this is just guesswork. I have not been able to find any info online to confirm this approach.
 
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I'll give it a shot, thanks for your help!
 

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