Calculating the effect of humidity volume and temp of compressed air

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This discussion focuses on calculating the effects of humidity on the temperature and volume of compressed air in automotive applications. The user provided specific parameters, including atmospheric pressure (14.7 psi), air temperature (77°F), and relative humidity (77%). Using these values, they derived the temperature of compressed air (110.62°F) and the compression ratio (1.88:1) for dry air. The conversation emphasizes the need to account for humidity and latent heat when performing these calculations, suggesting the use of psychrometric charts and weighted average molar heat capacities.

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This isn't homework, I'm a hobbyist, not a student. Posting here because questions I've previously posted were moved to this section. My intent is to better understand humidity and it's role in compressed air for an automotive application. All help and direction is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.


Homework Statement



A turbocharger compresses air which is then cooled, what is the new temperature?

How do I calculate the temperature of compressed air with different humidity values?
How do I calculate the volume or density of compressed air with different humidity values?

Atmospheric pressure - 14.7
Atmospheric air temperature - 77°F
Relative Humidity - 77%
Compressor efficiency - 60%
Compressed air cooler efficiency - 80%
Compressed air cooler media (water) temperature- 70°F
Air compressed to - 14.7psig/29.4psia/2bar

Homework Equations



I haven't any idea where to start.

The Attempt at a Solution


Pretty sure I've figured out how to accurately calculate for dry air, where using the following method and values above result in a temperature of 110.62°F and a volume of 0.53 it's original with 0% humidity:

Solving for temperature

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(k) 1.4 -1 = 0.4 / 1.4 = 0.286
(T1) 77°F + 459.69 = 536.69°Ra
(P1) 14.7psia
(P2) 29.4psia

T2= 654.36°Ra - 459.69 = 194.67°F

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CE - Compressor Efficiency = 60%

T3 = (T2 - T1) / CE + T1
(654.36-536.69) / 0.60 + 536.69 = 732.81°Ra or T3 = 273.1°F

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HE - Cooler efficiency - 80%
WT - Cooler media (water) temperature - 70°F (529.69°Ra)

T4 = T3 - ((T3 - WT) * HE)
732.81 - ((732.81-529.69) * 0.80)
732.81 - 162.50 = 570.31°Ra T4 = 110.62°F

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Solving for volume or compression ratio

CR = T1 / T2 x PR

Using T1, T4 and pressure ratio of 2 from above...

536.69 / 570.31 x 2 = 1.88:1 Compression Ratio

1 / 1.88 = 0.53

So, what was 1 cubic foot of 77°F air should now be 0.53 cubic feet and 110.62°F
Any links or insight on how to account for humidity and the effects of latent heat is very much appreciated.

Thank you again.
 
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You pretty much do it the same thing as for dry air, except you use a slightly different value of k. If you know the relative humidity and the temperature, then you know the mole fraction of water vapor in the gas phase, correct. If you know the mole fraction of water vapor x, then you can calculate the weighted average molar heat capacity at constant volume Cv (weighted by the mole fractions of air and water vapor). The weighted average heat capacity at constant pressure is obtained by adding R. Then you can calculate k for the moist air. If at any point you need to use the ideal gas law, you need to use a molar weighted average of the molecular weight.
 
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