Calculating the fall of the moon in one second

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The original poster is exploring the calculation of the moon's vertical displacement during one second of its orbit, given its circumference and orbital period of 29 days. The discussion revolves around the assumptions made regarding the geometry of the moon's trajectory and the implications of these assumptions on the accuracy of the estimate.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the validity of simplifying the moon's trajectory to a straight line for a short time interval. Questions arise about the impact of this assumption on the final result, particularly given the small scale of the displacement being calculated.

Discussion Status

Some participants suggest that the assumption may be acceptable for practical purposes, while others emphasize the need for accuracy and caution against oversimplification. There is mention of different orbital periods that could affect the calculations, indicating multiple interpretations are being explored.

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Participants note the potential impact of using the synodic versus sidereal orbital period and the relationship between the Earth and moon in their orbits, which may influence the calculations being discussed.

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Homework Statement



If I know only the circumference of the orbit of the moon, and the time it takes to make an orbit (29 days), how far does the moon fall in one second?

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I'm failing to understand how certain assumptions can be made in the geometry here. From Figure 1 of this link;

http://www.michaelbeeson.com/interests/GreatMoments/Newton.pdf

It appears that the straight line the moon's tangential trajectory x, plus the vertical displacement by gravity s would meet at the exact path of the Moon's actual orbit in one second, point B. Normally this wouldn't be the case, but I guess it's indicating it's okay to make this assumption because we're only talking about 1 second of a 29-day orbit. But then again, how can I be sure this assumption won't affect my end result, considering my end result is also going to be VERY small (1/20 of an inch)? It seems like it should only be okay to make this assumption, about the perpendicularity, as long what I was calculating wasn't also very small.
 
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I suppose that depends on the accuracy you require on your small estimate. If you want a tolerance within 1% of you estimate, i.e. .05 +/- .0005, then maybe you should not make the assumption. However, for most practical purposes, and looking at the precision of the other constants used in the calculation, you should be fine with this simplification.

Also, you can look at the portion of the arc traversed in the time, 1sec is 2pi/2505600 radians of the orbit. This should be small enough to treat this section of the arc as a straight line.
 
You might want to look at the moons sidereal orbit time (about 27.3 days), not the synodic time as you have, also don't forget the Earth and moon orbit each other around a common point (barycentre)
 
Heres the word data sheet on two body systems attached
 

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