Calculating the force resulted by pressure (integral)

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the force exerted by pressure on a piston in a pressure gauge as it is submerged in water. The context includes concepts from fluid mechanics and integration, specifically relating to pressure changes with depth and the relationship between force, area, and pressure.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use integration to relate pressure and force, questioning the relationship between differential area and depth. They express uncertainty about their integration approach and the relevance of the piston diameter.
  • Participants question the necessity of integration and whether the piston diameter changes with depth, prompting a discussion on the variables affecting pressure as depth increases.
  • Some participants reference Pascal's Law and its implications for the problem, while others seek clarification on the area calculation from the given diameter.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and questioning assumptions about the relationship between pressure, area, and depth. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the piston diameter to calculate area, but no consensus has been reached on the overall approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of sufficient data to calculate the area directly and express confusion about the implications of Pascal's Law in this context. The original poster's integration method is under scrutiny, and there are concerns about the assumptions made regarding the piston and pressure changes.

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Homework Statement


" A spring of the pressure gauge shown below has a force constant of 1250 N/m , and the piston has a diameter of 1.20 cm. AS the gauge is lowered into the water in a lake, what change in depth causes the piston to move by 0.750 cm? "

Homework Equations


F = kx
dF = pressure dA
pressure = density * height * gravity

The Attempt at a Solution


My first concern is my approach at integration the correct method? Is there an easier way?

Well, I know that the force to be applied is : F = xk = 9.375 N and this force is due to the continually increasing pressure as the piston is dropped into the lake.

Thus I need to be evaluating for the upper limit of the integral

Since dF = pressure dA ,
F = ∫ pressure dA
= ∫ ρ * g * h dA
= ∫ ρ * g * (H-y) dA

I get stuck here, I know I need to integrate with respect to y. What is the relationship between dA and dy? Also why are we given the diameter of the piston.

I have attached a copy of my written work.

Any help is really appreciated, thank you for your time.

-Sakonpure6

http://imgur.com/LOU5cKR
 
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Why do you think integration is the key to solving this problem?
Does the piston in the pressure gauge change in diameter with change in depth?
Pressure increases due to what variable or variables as the gauge is lowered in the water?
Are you familiar with Pascal's Law?
 
My thought to using integration is that the force applied to the piston changes as the depth changes.

Pressure would change as the area changes correct?

Pascals Law is A1F2=A2F1 , but we are not given enough data to calculate area.

So how do you propose solving this?
 
You're still confused.
You are given the diameter of the piston. You can't calculate an area from that?
Why do you think the area of the piston in the gauge changes as the gauge goes deeper in the water?

You are also misinterpreting what Pascal's Law states:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_law
 

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