Calculating the Height of a Flagpole Using Trigonometry

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The discussion revolves around calculating the height of a flagpole using trigonometric principles. The problem involves angles of elevation from two different points on the ground and requires the application of trigonometric identities to derive a formula for the height of the pole.

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  • Participants explore the use of the Sine Rule and tangent functions to relate the angles of elevation to the height of the pole. There are attempts to express relationships between the height, distances, and angles using trigonometric identities.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their attempts and corrections. Some have suggested isolating variables and rewriting equations, while others are questioning the correctness of their steps and seeking clarification on converting between tangent and sine functions.

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Having a fair bit of trouble with this one. Based on the answer I had thought to apply the Sine Rule but adding points to describe the lengths of elevation seems wrong, but I'm stuck on how else to approach this. Can anyone help, please?

Many thanks.

Homework Statement



Q. A vertical flagpole stands on horizontal ground. The angle of elevation of the top of the pole from a certain point on the ground is \theta. From a point on the ground 10m closer to the pole, the angle of elevation is \beta. Show that the height of the pole is \frac{10sin\theta sin\beta}{sin(\beta-\theta)}.

The Attempt at a Solution



Points of pole: top c, bottom d.
Point at elevation \theta = a
Point at elevation \beta = b
sin\theta=\frac{a}{sin\theta}{|ac|} = |ac|=\frac{a}{sin\theta}
sin\beta=\frac{b}{|bc|} = |bc|=\frac{b}{sin\beta}
|\angle acb|180^o-(sin\theta+90^o) = 180^o-sin\theta

I'd keep going at this point but I have a feeling I'm way off...
 
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odolwa99 said:
Points of pole: top c, bottom d.
Point at elevation \theta = a
Point at elevation \beta = b
sin\theta=\frac{a}{sin\theta}{|ac|} = |ac|=\frac{a}{sin\theta}
sin\beta=\frac{b}{|bc|} = |bc|=\frac{b}{sin\beta}
|\angle acb|180^o-(sin\theta+90^o) = 180^o-sin\theta

I'd keep going at this point but I have a feeling I'm way off...

No, the Sine rule isn't used here.
(I labeled |ab| as 10, |bd| as x, and |cd| as h.)
Find tan θ in terms of 10, x and h. Find tan β in terms of x and h. Rewrite the latter equation so that x is by itself, and substitute into the former equation. Use trig identities to "simplify" to the answer.
 
This is how things are looking for me now:
a. tan\theta=\frac{h}{10+x}
b. tan\beta=\frac{h}{x} = (tan\beta)x=h = x=\frac{h}{tan\beta}
Thus, b.->a. = tan\theta=\frac{h}{10+h/tan\beta} = h=tan\theta(10+\frac{h}{tan\beta}) = h=\frac{10tan\theta+h(tan\theta)}{tan\beta}

I seem to be quite close to the answer, but something has gone wrong here. Can you help me out again, please?
 
odolwa99 said:
a. \tan \theta=\frac{h}{10+x}
b. \tan \beta=\frac{h}{x} \rightarrow (\tan \beta)x=h \rightarrow x=\frac{h}{\tan \beta}
Thus, b.->a. \tan \theta=\frac{h}{10+h/\tan \beta} \rightarrow h=\tan \theta(10+\frac{h}{\tan \beta})
From here:
h=\tan \theta(10+\frac{h}{\tan \beta}),
distribute the tan theta and move the fraction to the other side. You want to isolate the h, without having another h term on the other side.
 
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Ok, continuing on:

h=\frac{10tan\theta+(h)tan\theta}{tan\beta} = h-\frac{(h)tan\theta}{tan\beta}=\frac{10tan\theta}{tan\beta} = \frac{(h)tan\beta-(h)tan\theta}{tan\beta}=\frac{10tan\theta}{tan \beta} = h(tan\beta-tan\theta)=\frac{10tan\theta\cdot tan\beta}{tan\beta} = h=\frac{10tan\theta\cdot tan\beta}{tan\beta(tan\beta-tan\theta)}

The common denominator, in the very last part of the attempt here, should probably be tan(\beta-\theta), but I'm not sure how to factor that. Also, how do I switch from tan to sin? I'm nearly there! Can you help again, please?

Thank you.
 
From here:
h=\tan \theta(10+\frac{h}{\tan \beta})
odolwa99 said:
h=\frac{10tan\theta+(h)tan\theta}{tan\beta}
...to here is wrong. It should be
h = 10\tan \theta + \frac{h\tan \theta}{\tan \beta}
Subtract the 2nd fraction (the one with the h in the numerator) from both sides. Factor out the h to get
h( something ) = 10\tan \theta
Divide both sides by that (something).

Also, can you please stop putting equal signs between each step? Instead, you can press "Enter" between steps.
 
Ok, so I've made the correction and continued on from there. That just leaves me with the job of converting tan to sin. How is that achieved?

a. tan\theta=\frac{h}{10+x}
b. tan\beta=\frac{h}{x}
= (tan\beta)x=h
= x=\frac{h}{tan\beta}
Thus, b.->a. = tan\theta=\frac{h}{10+h/tan\beta}
= h=tan\theta(10+\frac{h}{tan\beta})
= h=\frac{10tan\theta tan\beta+h(tan\theta)}{tan\beta}

=h=\frac{10tan\theta tan\beta+(h)tan\theta}{tan\beta}
= h-\frac{(h)tan\theta}{tan\beta}=10tan\theta
= \frac{(h)tan\beta-(h)tan\theta}{tan\beta}=10tan\theta
= h(tan\beta-tan\theta)=10tan\theta\cdot tan\beta
= h=\frac{10tan\theta\cdot tan\beta}{tan\beta-tan\theta}
 
Those equal signs you are putting at the beginning of each line: you are using them incorrectly. Either don't put them at the beginning of each line, or use \rightarrow within the itex tags.
odolwa99 said:
h=\frac{10\tan \theta \cdot \tan \beta}{\tan \beta - \tan \theta}
Using the trig identities, rewrite the expression in terms of sines and cosines. Now you have a complex fraction. Multiply the numerator and denominator by something to simplify the fraction.
 
Ok, I have it now. Thank you.
 

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