Calculating the magnetic field inside a field coil

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The discussion focuses on calculating the magnetic field (B) inside a large field coil using a test coil and an oscilloscope. The setup involves a function generator outputting a 100 kHz, 10V peak-to-peak waveform. Key equations include ε = -L*(dI/dt) and B = μNI/L, with the induced emf measured from the test coil. The participants emphasize the importance of understanding the relationship between the magnetic flux (Φ) and the average magnetic field (B_avg) within the coil's area, particularly noting that B changes over time due to the sinusoidal nature of the input waveform.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of electromagnetic induction principles
  • Familiarity with the equations ε = -L*(dI/dt) and B = μNI/L
  • Knowledge of magnetic flux (Φ) and its relation to area and magnetic field
  • Basic skills in using an oscilloscope for measuring induced emf
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  • Explore the relationship between magnetic flux and induced emf using Faraday's Law
  • Study the effects of frequency on magnetic field calculations in coils
  • Learn about the properties of sinusoidal waveforms in electromagnetic applications
  • Investigate the role of inductance in determining the behavior of coils in AC circuits
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Homework Statement


(This is a bonus question for a lab I have coming up next week.)

In this part of the lab, a large field coil is hooked up to a function generator that outputs a 100 kHz, 10V peak-to-peak waveform. A smaller test coil is connected to an oscilloscope and slowly inserted into the field coil. The induced emf can be read off of the oscilloscope. Knowing the number of turns and cross-sectional area of the test coil, calculate the magnetic field B inside the large test coil.

Homework Equations


ε = -L*(dI/dt)
B = μNI/L

The Attempt at a Solution


Solution 1:
I'm thinking that the emf in the test coil can be read off of the oscilloscope and represented as a sinusoidal function. The inductance of the test coil can be determined from its known geometric properties. Then, you rearrange the equation so that it reads:

-ε/L dt = dI

And integrate, taking I = 0 at t = 0 as the initial value. Then, since B = μNI/L, the magnetic field inside the field coil can be found as a function of time. You solve for the time of interest (time at which you want to know the B field) using the ε function and a specific ε value at the time of interest, and then solve for the B field using the previously determined function.

The only problem (other than the fact that I'm probably wrong) is that this solution requires me to have access to the dimensions of the field coil, which I don't know if I will.

Thanks in advance for your time.
 
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I think you're on the wrong track.

Test coil: how about Newton's emf = -Nd(phi)/dt?
What is phi in terms of area of the coil and the (average) value of the B field inside that area?
 
rude man said:
I think you're on the wrong track.

Test coil: how about Newton's emf = -Nd(phi)/dt?
What is phi in terms of area of the coil and the (average) value of the B field inside that area?

\Phi = B_avg * A for this situation, I believe. The test coil isn't moved once it is inside the field coil, so the effective area doesn't change.
 
newageanubis said:
\Phi = B_avg * A for this situation, I believe. The test coil isn't moved once it is inside the field coil, so the effective area doesn't change.

Ah, true.

But B does change. 100 KHz ... and emf = d(phi)/dt, not phi. So what is d(phi)/dt? Does that give you dB/dt?

And if you know dB/dt which will be a sinusoid, can you from that deduce the time-varying B field itself?
 
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