Calculating the Rate of Decrease in Diameter of a Melting Snowball

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The discussion revolves around calculating the rate of decrease in the diameter of a melting snowball, specifically when the diameter is 10 cm. Participants explore the relationship between the volume of the sphere and its diameter, applying calculus to find the rate of change over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the volume of a sphere in terms of diameter and notes the rate of volume change as -1 cm³/min.
  • Another participant proposes differentiating the volume equation with respect to time to find the rate of change of diameter, using \(s\) for diameter to avoid confusion.
  • A question is raised about the reasoning behind differentiating both sides of the equation, leading to a discussion on the application of the chain rule in related rates problems.
  • It is noted that since volume \(V\) is a function of diameter \(s\), and \(s\) is a function of time \(t\), the chain rule applies, allowing for the expression of \(\frac{dV}{dt}\) in terms of \(\frac{ds}{dt}\).

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Participants generally agree on the approach of using differentiation and the chain rule to relate the rates of change, but there is no consensus on the specific steps to take next or the final calculation of \(\frac{ds}{dt}\).

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The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps necessary to find \(\frac{ds}{dt}\) or clarify any assumptions about the relationship between volume and diameter beyond the initial differentiation.

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A snowball melts in volume @ 1 cm³/min. At what rate is the diameter decreasing when the diameter is 10 cm?

Volume of a sphere: \frac{4}{3}\pi r^{3}
Volume of a sphere in terms of diameter: \frac{\pi d^{3}}{6}

Rate of volume: \frac{d}{d(time)}volume = -1 cm^{3}/min.

Rate of diameter: \frac{d}{d(time)}10 cm = ?

I'm not sure what to do at this point
 
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daigo said:
Volume of a sphere: \frac{4}{3}\pi r^{3}
Volume of a sphere in terms of diameter: \frac{\pi d^{3}}{6}

I'll use \(s\) for the diameter, to avoid confusion with the derivatives. We have

\[V = \frac{\pi s^3}6.\]

Differentiate both sides with respect to time \(t\):

\[\Rightarrow\frac{dV}{dt} = \frac{\pi s^2}2\cdot\frac{ds}{dt}\]

Now solve for \(ds/dt\) and set \(s = 10\) an \(\frac{dV}{dt} = -1\).
 
How did you know to differentiate both sides?

I see we are trying to find \frac{ds}{dt} but how did you know that differentiating both sides would result in \frac{ds}{dt} appearing in the end?
 
daigo said:
How did you know to differentiate both sides?

I see we are trying to find \frac{ds}{dt} but how did you know that differentiating both sides would result in \frac{ds}{dt} appearing in the end?

Since \(V\) is a function of \(s\) and \(s\) is a function of time \(t\), the chain rule tells us that

\[\frac{dV}{dt} = \frac{dV}{ds}\cdot\frac{ds}{dt}.\]

This allows us to solve for \(\frac{ds}{dt}\) in terms of \(\frac{dV}{dt}\).

You can follow this same procedure in many other related rate problems: find a relationship between the variables, differentiate implicitly using the chain rule, solve for the unknown rate and make the appropriate substitutions.
 

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