Calculating Total Spring Constant of Parallel Springs

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The discussion revolves around calculating the total spring constant of two parallel springs that have been cut in half from an original spring with spring constant k and unstretched length L. Participants are exploring the implications of cutting the spring and how it affects the overall spring constant when the halves are placed side by side.

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  • Participants are examining the relationship between the spring constant and the length of the spring, questioning how cutting the spring affects its stiffness and the total spring constant when arranged in parallel.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations regarding the calculation of the total spring constant. Some participants have provided reasoning based on the relationship between force, displacement, and spring constants, while others are questioning assumptions made in the calculations. A few participants have identified mistakes in their reasoning and are attempting to clarify their understanding.

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Some participants mention the need to consider the unstretched lengths of the springs and the implications of cutting the spring in half on its stiffness. There is also a reference to a professor's feedback regarding the assumptions made in the calculations.

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A spring with spring constant k and of unstretched length L is cut in half and both parts are put side by side.
Determine the total spring constant of the parallel springs.
Can anyone explain me the solution to this.
 
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MilenaMath said:
A spring with spring constant k and of unstretched length L is cut in half and both parts are put side by side.
Determine the total spring constant of the parallel springs.
Can anyone explain me the solution to this.

Since the springs are in parallel, they will both have the same displacement. Knowing this and examining the equation for the restoring force of the spring you can find that:

F = kx

F = k1x + k2x = (k1+k2)x

Keeping the second equation in the same "form" as the first,

k = k1 + k2

This is more of an introductory physics question. Make sure to read the stickies before posting.
 
But the correct answer is 4K,I did the same thing,but the professor says 4K,I can't find the mistake
 
What is the spring constant of half of the original spring?
 
My solution was: I assumed the F=kx,k is the spring constant of the initial spring,then I said ##k_1= F/(x/2)## so is ##k_2## and thus ##k_1=k_2=2k => k_t=4k##
But he says my mistake is that I can't say ##k_1= F/(x/2)## but the rest is ok
 
MilenaMath said:
My solution was: I assumed the F=kx,k is the spring constant of the initial spring,then I said ##k_1= F/(x/2)## so is ##k_2## and thus ##k_1=k_2=2k => k_t=4k##
But he says my mistake is that I can't say ##k_1= F/(x/2)## but the rest is ok
Your answer is correct but so is the professor's comment. You need to explain more clearly, in terms of the spring's unstretched lengths, not its displacement, why cutting a spring in half doubles its stiffness.
 
I found out my mistake: So the right way to proceed is We apply force ##F_x## to the spring and let's assume it stretches to length ##x_n-L## then we have ##F_x=k(x_n-L)## .Then we cut the spring into half and both of them would stretch to##x/2## length when ##F_x## force is applied but both of them will have untretched lengths equal to ##L/2## so we have ##F_x=k_1(\frac{x}{2}-\frac{L}{2})## and ##F_x=k_2(x/2-L/2)## we can't say anything about force constants ##k_1## and ##k_2## yet. but combining last 2 equations and knowing it is equal to the equation at the beginning we find that total force(spring) constant is equal to 4k.
 
This is a bit of a 'circular' proof in that you assume that the spring will stretch only 1/2 as much when it it is cut in half, but this is what you are trying to prove.
The deflection of the spring is directly proportional to its length and force, and the amount of its deflection is dependent on its geometric and elastic properties. Since you halve its length, you halve its deflection under a given force, and thus double its stiffness k. Then you put the cut springs in parallel, so each sees just half the force, which effectively quadruples the effective equivalent stiffness.
 

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