Calculating voltage which voltmeter is showing

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the voltage measured by a voltmeter with varying internal resistances in a circuit with constant current. Participants explore the relationships between voltage, current, and resistance using different voltmeter resistances and the implications for circuit behavior.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • The initial problem involves measuring voltage between two points in a circuit using voltmeters with different internal resistances, leading to different voltage readings.
  • One participant notes that the current is constant, suggesting that the current entering and leaving nodes is the same, leading to two unknowns in the circuit.
  • Another participant proposes constructing two equations based on the two cases of voltmeter resistance and measured voltage to solve for the unknowns.
  • A suggestion is made to express the voltage in terms of current, resistance, and voltmeter resistance without plugging in numbers initially.
  • One participant introduces the concept of a voltage/current divider to express the relationship between voltage, current, and resistances in the circuit.
  • A later post provides specific values for resistance and current, leading to a calculated voltage of 16V, although it is unclear if this is universally accepted as correct.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach of using equations to relate the voltmeter readings to the circuit parameters, but there is no consensus on the final voltage measurement as it is based on specific assumptions and calculations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion relies on assumptions about the circuit configuration and the behavior of the voltmeters, which are not fully detailed. The exact nature of the resistance between nodes 1 and 2 remains unspecified, and the calculations depend on the chosen values for resistance and current.

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Homework Statement


Schematic of circuit is not given, only the text which I translated into English.

Using a voltmeter with internal resistance of 6k ohm, voltage between two points, 1 and 2 of a circuit of constant current, is measured to be 8v.
Then, using a voltmeter with internal resistance of 10k ohm, between the same points, voltage is measured to be 12v.
What voltage will the voltmeter with internal resistance of 15k ohm measure?

Homework Equations


I=U/R

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to solve it by calculating currents getting 1.3mA and 1.2mA in first and second case, but wasn't sure what to do next.
These voltmeters should be represented as resistors and the answer is 16V.
 
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You're told that the current in the circuit is constant, which I take to mean that the current leaving node 2 is the same as the current entering node 1:

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So ##I## is an unknown constant and ##R## is some unknown resistance lying between nodes 1 and 2. That's two unknowns. Fortunately you were given two cases where the meter resistance and the measured voltage are given, so you can construct two equations in two unknowns.
 
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I would like to thank you for looking into this but I am unsure on how to do that. I mean, how would system of equations look like?
 
Start symbolically: don't plug in any numbers, just use variables. See if you can write an expression for the voltage ##V## in terms of ##I##, ##R## and ##R_m##. Or, write an expression for ##I## in terms of ##V##, ##R## and ##R_m##. Either way is fine (although the latter may be more straight forward).
 
So like voltage/current divider?
V = (Rm || R) * I
 
akaliuseheal said:
So like voltage/current divider?
V = (Rm || R) * I
Sure, that would work. Or since the voltage is the same across both resistors it's easy to write the sum of the currents:

##I = \frac{V}{R} + \frac{V}{R_m}##

Whatever you are more comfortable with.
 
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So it's like this.
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R=30k ohm
I = 0,0016A

Replacing those values gets me the voltage of 16V.
Thanks, was struggling with this trivial problem.
 
Glad I could help.
 

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