Why do we use external pressure to calculate work in gas cylinders?

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In gas cylinders, external pressure is used to calculate work instead of internal pressure because internal forces cancel each other out, making external pressure a more stable reference. The work done by the gas during expansion is defined by the equation dW = p dV, where p represents external pressure. For isothermal expansion, the work can be calculated using the formula Work = nRT ln(V2/V1), derived from the ideal gas law PV = nRT. This approach simplifies understanding the work done on the system by the surroundings.

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In a cylinder (with a piston) containing gas, why do we use the external pressure, instead of the pressure of the gas, to calculate work?
 
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I think it would be because all the internal forces cancel each other out.
 
Woopydalan said:
I think it would be because all the internal forces cancel each other out.

Then why does the piston move up due to internal pressure?
 
sodium.dioxid said:
In a cylinder (with a piston) containing gas, why do we use the external pressure, instead of the pressure of the gas, to calculate work?

Internal pressure changes in all processes except isobaric. External pressure does not. Also, the work done on the system by the surrounding is easier to understand in terms of external pressure.
 
Infinitum said:
Internal pressure changes in all processes except isobaric. External pressure does not. Also, the work done on the system by the surrounding is easier to understand in terms of external pressure.

And if the original question is on the work done by the system.
That is, the pressure of the gas in the cylinder expanding against the piston.
Then dW = Force x distance = pressure x Area x distance = p dV
Work = ∫ V1 to V2 pdV
And with PV = n RT
Work = nRT ln V2/V1
For isothermal expansion
 
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