I Focus Problem for Entropy Change in Irreversible Adiabatic Process

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The discussion revolves around an irreversible adiabatic process involving an ideal gas in a cylinder with a piston, where the external pressure is suddenly reduced. Participants analyze the new volume and temperature of the gas after expansion, using the first law of thermodynamics and the ideal gas law. They also explore multiple reversible processes to achieve the same initial and final states, calculating work done, heat added, and changes in internal energy for each. The concept of entropy change is debated, emphasizing that the irreversible process results in a positive entropy change, while reversible processes yield the same entropy change despite differing paths. The conversation highlights the importance of thermodynamic equilibrium in determining reversibility and entropy.
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Lollo said:
@Chestermiller I am very surprised that there are cases where, in reversible adiabatic processes, the work is less than in the corresponding irreversible path.
There exists no reversible adiabatic process between the same two end states as for an irreversible adiabatic process. We know this because the entropy change for an adiabatic irreversible process is positive and the entropy change for an adiabatic reversible process is zero. So if we have an adiabatic irreversible process, all reversible processes between the same two end states must be non-adiabatic.
Lollo said:
I always thought that the work carried out on the system in irreversible adiabatic compression is greater than the work carried out on the system in reversible adiabatic compression, and that the work carried out on the system in irreversible adiabatic expansion is always less than the work carried out on the system in reversible adiabatic compression. Is this not so? I have seen several answers on StackExchange saying this, and they have never been refuted. See for example https://chemistry.stackexchange.com...rreversible-adiabatic-compression-greater-tha.
As I showed in the examples in the present thread, this is not correct.
Lollo said:
"the entropy change is the same for all the reversible paths as for the irreversible path." How to prove that? It seems to me that point (c) has been left open. Can you post a solution for the benefit of the forum?
If the two end states are the same for all the paths and, if entropy is a state function, what other possibility is there?

If you think you have found any errors in the analysis that I have done in this thread, please articulate them.
 
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